Dirty, Dirty Divorcee’
November 18, 2008 · Print This Article
“I am not judged by the number of times I fail, but by the number of times I succeed: and the number of times I succeed is in direct proportion to the number of times I fail and keep trying.”
Shattered dreams, broken promises, division of assets and custody battles…all the marks of a failed attempt at a sacred union summed up with one word… “Divorced.” Considering that over fifty percent of all marriages don’t last until death do us part I find it ironic that there appears to be such a negative stigma attached to what I perceive as a badge of honor. Perhaps my perception is skewed, but how can anyone negate the strength that one attains from surviving monumental heartbreak?
I’ve lived to tell the tale of my “Starter Marriage” (plus another) relatively unscathed. And anyone who has endured the tumultuous events caused by dissolution knows how daunting the aftermath can be. So why would others take issue with wearing the “D” label proudly?
Just recently I was not only asked, “why do you say that you’re divorced and not single?“ but I was also “commanded to change my status” on a popular social networking site by a fellow Eve staffer. While I found Ms. Meghan’s request to be quite humorous, she obviously isn’t the only one who has made mention of my D-status lately. While harmless in their inquiries, I was left pondering…do others perceive me as some sort of spinster in waiting? I mean, I don’t even own a cat nevertheless a dozen, so why all the hoopla?
Yes, I am divorced, but like many who’ve traversed a similar path, I am also a strong, courageous woman who made some difficult decisions. Divorcee’s are not defined by a label or check mark. Divorce is not who we are, only what we’ve done…it is merely a blip on our lifelines. As with all life experiences, hopefully we learn from our lessons, never repeat them, and still maintain a glimmer of hope for the future.
So the next time you find yourself wondering why someone acknowledges their divorced status, don‘t judge them, but rather realize what they’ve overcome. Know that perhaps they look at blissful couples and dream that forever isn’t an urban legend but a tangible reality. Congratulate their perseverance. Acknowledge that their heart has scar tissue from withstanding some bumps and bruises. Celebrate new beginnings and the exciting adventures that lie ahead.
Don’t get me wrong, this is not pro-divorce propaganda. But the fact of the matter is, it happens…a lot, and quite often for very good reasons. To ostracize or condemn people for seeking happiness or attempting to rectify a poor decision is…well, it’s just not right. So don’t do it!
I need your help Eve-ers! I want to understand why divorce is such a dirty word. Do you frown upon those who walk down the aisle and straight to divorce court? Or, do you see divorce as a way of life in our grass is greener culture? Which box do you/would you check?









On 11/17/08 at 8:56 pm
Trista said:
You know what I am tired of? The damaged goods label that comes with being a divorced woman.
Ummm…unless you’ve been living in a monastery, you (yeah, you…you know who you are…) most likely have fallen victim to an emotionally scarring or two of your own, pal. Just because you haven’t walked the isle yet doesn’t mean you aren’t slugging around your own ghosts from relationships past.
Hrumph! Apparently I have some unresolved feelings on the subject. Thanks for giving me a place to vent, love!
On 11/18/08 at 7:05 am
Karri said:
Holy Bejesus…I wasn’t expecting that response from you!
Question my single mom friend: do you think the stigma is worse when you have whipper snappers?
“Poor Trista, raisin’ them kids all alone…”
Oh, and ps
this is my 4th attempt at leaving this reply…without coffee!
On 11/18/08 at 7:59 am
Trista said:
I think a different stigma is attached to single mothers, whether they are divorced or were never married in the first place. Many people find the concept of casual dating impossible to conceive of when a child is a variable in the equation. And so things may never get started out of fear that this individual is husband / wife hunting, or looking for another parent for the child(ren).
As far the divorce thing goes, I have MORE respect for someone who had the guts and the self-respect to get themselves out a bad situation than I do for someone who stays out of the obligations felt due to a slip of paper. Should we take the commitment more seriously in this country? Of course. But does that mean marriage should be a lifelong misery and suffering filled trap? I don’t think so.
On 11/18/08 at 9:24 am
Matt. E. Warren said:
I couldn’t agree with both of you more. I know that the same thing goes for single dads, though, too. At least in my case and the case of the “good” single dads.
I hate the stigma attached to the “D” word. But, difficult decisions had to be made, and I am that much better for having made them.
Now, on to the strip club.
On 11/18/08 at 1:24 pm
Karri said:
Matt, unfortunately single Dads haven’t always stepped up to the plate and fulfilled their duties the way they should have.
You should be commended, not condemned for making sure that your whipper snapper(s) are living happy, healthy lives free of the drama and negativity that often surrounds a less than stellar marriage.
Kudos to you!
On 11/18/08 at 1:21 pm
Karri said:
“As far the divorce thing goes, I have MORE respect for someone who had the guts and the self-respect to get themselves out a bad situation than I do for someone who stays out of the obligations felt due to a slip of paper.”
This is exactly why I consider it a “badge of honor.” Perhaps I could use a better analogy like a purple heart or something, but it takes a lot more courage to go than to stay.
On 11/18/08 at 4:37 am
Meghan said:
‘Divorced’ is NOT a dirty word. No stigma attached here, and hopefully my editor recognizes my commanding joke was just that…jest.
I did suggest our networking site could use a ‘You Should Be So Lucky’ category…and that part I stick by! Even for us who never signed any vows.
Ive dated the ‘divorced’ the ’single parent’ the ‘widower’ in fact… and I considered none of them damaged goods. We are beyond our circumstances, often better for our past choices, and always individuals with our own stories to tell.
On 11/18/08 at 7:13 am
Karri said:
M, your “request” was funny! Having someone ask “why are you divorced?” is not!
Certainly some people are more damaged than others after a divorce (or even a serious break up.) But as long as they’ve resolved their issues and moved on, others should also, no?
On 11/18/08 at 11:20 am
Meghan said:
People ASK why you’re divorced? Do they really want that kind of story in passing? How much time do they think you’re going to dedicate explaining it to them?
I’ve gone on dates that haven’t been too thrilling and when the guy asks ‘You seem normal, why are you single?’ I want to punch him square in the groin…I seem normal?
On 11/18/08 at 1:26 pm
Karri said:
Oh ya…not only why I’m divorced, but also why I’m not married…OY!
I suggest you notify your suitors that “normal” people don’t get married, because anyone who takes that leap has to have a little bit of crazy in them.
On 11/18/08 at 5:37 pm
Meghan said:
Thats a kind explanation to offer potential suitors.
However, the wise ass in me wants to reply with:
“Why am I single? I make poor choices in men - thats where you come in!”
On 11/18/08 at 5:48 pm
Karri said:
I will see that comment and raise you this conversation:
Ran into ex-sister-in-law over the weekend.
blah, blah, blah…
Her: Are you married?
Me: Nope
Her: Why not?
*crickets*
Answer inside my head: because I never got over the trauma your f’d up brother caused!
If it would’ve been true, I would have said it. But I just stuck with the deer in the headlights look. It’s the new black ya know?
On 11/18/08 at 6:26 pm
Meghan said:
Oh GAWD! The Sister in law? She clearly must have been a deer in headlights herself to ramble her way into that question…
I love going home for the Holidays and my grandfather (love him to pieces) announcing at the table that ME and my youngest brother are his only grandchildren not married!
What he fails to mention is that most of them have been married Twice/Thrice with children in tow….
Just pass the rolls grandpa…you’re making me want to carb load!
On 11/18/08 at 11:57 am
Jason said:
Good for you, but alas, in my experience a lot of women look at a divorced guy as damaged goods and one with a child as a lepper.
On 11/18/08 at 1:29 pm
Karri said:
I’ll admit, I’ve only dated 1 single dad but for no other reason other than that was the only time the opportunity had presented itself.
If I had my choice between a mid 30 fella who had never been married and one who was divorced, I’d go with the latter…if that makes you feel any better.
On 11/18/08 at 4:40 am
lisaq said:
We learn and grow from our experiences. Without the experiences gained from my divorces I damn sure wouldn’t be the person I am today…and I kinda like me. In fact, I like me much better today than ever before. A divorce isn’t a sign of a failed relationship. Rather it is a relationship learning experience. Now I know why I attracted the assclowns that I did, I know what I want and what I can do to make the next relationship a resounding success. It’s not about failure; it’s about growth.
On 11/18/08 at 7:32 am
Karri said:
AMEN, SISTER!!
On 11/18/08 at 5:27 am
C assie said:
never been married, so don’t know anything about divorce…other than seeing friends and family go through it.
I think that most don’t like to admit they are divorced b/c it can be construed as a ‘failure’ type thing. Also, in my experience, divorce people are a bit more guarded and don’t tend to ‘lay it all out there’ when it comes to future relationships (This is JUST from the people I KNOW, who are divorced and dating).
I have a 100% curable solution to the divorce epidemic….don’t get married in the first place!! LOL
On 11/18/08 at 7:37 am
Karri said:
Now that was the answer I was expecting…ha!
I agree, I think divorce (or enough break-ups) does cause our walls to grow a bit higher…how could it not? But that doesn’t mean they can’t be knocked down, just that it takes a wee bit more effort.
On 11/18/08 at 9:06 am
C assie said:
yeah, I know that…..it is THAT effort, though, that some ppl are unwilling to put forth!
Also…I know this is gonna sound bad, I wouldn’t date a guy who is divorced and has kids. I did once, and I felt like I was stealing time away from them every time we were together. I know that it is MY hang-up, but I’m just saying!!
On 11/18/08 at 1:32 pm
Karri said:
Here’s my theory on that for whatever its worth…it doesn’t matter if it is time spent with friends, family or going to the movies…if it’s important we find a way to make it work. And if we don’t want to do it…we don’t. Simple.
So get over your shit, m’kay?
On 11/18/08 at 5:50 am
CW said:
How can someone expect you to mean “for better or worse, until death do us part” if you’ve already bailed on the vow before? Men understand the financial stakes - marriage may be expensive, but divorce will cost them a fortune.
On 11/18/08 at 7:38 am
Karri said:
“How can someone expect you to mean “for better or worse, until death do us part” if you’ve already bailed on the vow before?”
Pardon me sir, but are you serious?!
On 11/18/08 at 9:04 am
C assie said:
SEEEEEE?
CW’s attitude was EXACTLY what I was talking about!!!! LOL
On 11/18/08 at 2:08 pm
Karri said:
Let us all pray for him, shall we?
On 11/18/08 at 9:41 am
Joe with 2nd wife said:
Yep he is serious. The risk of lossing it all in divorce is sending guys to third world countries for wives. Wake up American women. I have many male fiends who feel this way but never say it to women.
On 11/18/08 at 10:10 am
LivingWicked said:
What about the successful women? The independent ones that do not need, nor do they want a fucking dime from you???
I think men are far too full of themselves to realize that we are coming to an age where we simply do not need you to make it and be successful in this country… world… society.
Get a grip. I think it is time for MEN to wake up.
On 11/18/08 at 2:09 pm
Karri said:
Joe,
Your second wife isn’t Russian by any chance, is she?
On 11/18/08 at 2:55 pm
Trista said:
I hear Costa Ricans are quite fashionable nowadays…
On 11/18/08 at 9:55 am
LivingWicked said:
That is a hot button for me.
Men must be the only ones who understand that it will cost them an arm and a leg. Cause women are simply barefoot and pregnant at home with ZERO assets.
Give me a break CW. That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have heard in a long time.
On 11/18/08 at 1:17 pm
Karri said:
I’m with you on this one Court!
Gimme a freakin’ break! I didn’t make a dime on either one of my divorces…nor did I want to! The first one made it out with a new wife and the second one with a new house, so who lost here? It most certainly wasn’t them!
CW obviously has some issues he needs to work out. Period.
On 11/18/08 at 5:06 pm
Kel said:
Did you notice what Joe w/ 2nd said?
“I have many male fiends who feel this way but never say it to women.”
“…fiends…”
Do you think that’s a typo, or a Freudian Slip a la blog?
On 11/18/08 at 5:22 pm
Karri said:
Nice catch, girl!
And good question.
I feel fairly certain we may have just insulted 2 new readers. And by “we” I mean me.
Whoopsie!
On 11/18/08 at 6:30 am
Brad K. said:
The problem of being divorced is somewhat related to why men and women often prefer younger partners.
Picture a youth blithely pondering what he/she wishes to do with their life. The real opportunities mingle freely with the remains of fairy tales and dreams of bliss. As life progresses, attention turns to focus on some interests, some compromise and adaptation is made to reach goals, to accommodate treasured dreams and companions - loved ones.
Now consider another, that stumbles into a bad situation, and ends up facing harsh reality, or even the ugliness of what they might do in the face of dire or persistent threat of harm.
Consider the divorced as combat veterans in the realm of marriage. Their choices in where they are able and allowed to go are constrained by how life has shaped them. Most carry baggage and healed (and not-so-healed) wounds. They have often learned to use weapons unthinkable to those that haven’t “faced the kraken” - lawyers, and hurtful words, and leveraging family ties.
In many ways divorce, and the marriage that led to it, is a trial by fire. The problems that a divorced adult faces are similar, in a limited way, to those of military veterans - civilians haven’t faced the trauma, haven’t learned the skills, that allowed survival.
They don’t understand the needs and effects of those changed by their trial by fire. They find the resulting warrior uncomfortable in non-combat settings. They fear the intensity and ferocity that the divorced have found access to.
Everyone growing up develops a list of ‘warning flag’ and ‘gotta have’ notes about what to worry about and what to hold out for in looking for a partner. With each relationship that ends, these lists get updated. Self defense and the reality of survival often sharpen how closely the divorcee relies on the warning flags - completely bewildering those that don’t find those particular flags as alarming or even important.
Surviving a marriage often includes the ability to sacrifice self, comfort, self-respect at times to get past a danger or conflict. Those that haven’t faced tearing through their illusions may recoil in disgust. As in, changing diapers, accepting broken nights out, or choosing arguments (and learning that the absence of an argument may not be support or agreement). Or facing disrespect or other mental or physical abuse.
And all this without getting into the older stereotypes of chastity before marriage - so that divorce turns a sexually active woman “loose” in a community. And this was true, in a way, for men also - the divorced man may not have been shunned, but fathers actively avoided letting them near their (chaste!) unescorted daughters and wives.
On 11/18/08 at 1:53 pm
Karri said:
So, if I understand you correctly…we choose younger mates because they are less effected by unknown trauma? Because they still don rose-colored glasses and live life optimistically while skipping through the tulips, is that what you’re saying?
On 11/18/08 at 5:02 pm
Brad K. said:
Kind of. Inexperienced people won’t have as many quirks and defenses set up. You are less likely to hit a ‘hot’ button, where they react to something that happened to them in the past, and may not apply to the present. For instance, coming in late from work, and getting accused of cheating because that was the pattern for your partner’s previous, cheating disappointment.
And not just unknown trauma. The accommodations they made to their previous partner, the things they learned about themselves and their role in life, even the role they played in their community and family. They longer the marriage, the more they have become accustomed to their routine, their expectations for the present and future, their sense of self-worth. The way they choose clothes depending on where the laundry room was, or choose food depending on what serving utensils and dishes they had.
You don’t get out of a marriage without scars, emotional and otherwise. People that have never married, especially romantic people, will be guided more by dreams and ideals rather than live on old habits or defenses against what hurt them the last time.
Look at the stereotype of the Playboy bunnies. The reality is educated and shrewd business women, but the public image is uncomplicated, affectionate, cheerful - childlike and almost self-less. And young. And unmarried. The implication there is that young women are more ‘fun’, mature (more brunette?) women are someone you look for when you want to take a bride-prospect home to meet Mother. Military senior officers are typically married, and upper management used to demand executives be married - for the stability in their work habits.
Some long term relationships will affect a person as deeply as a marriage, for good or ill. But many long term relationships are more like extended play dates with little or no commitment. When a long term relationship “lite” ends, either or both parties may be affected only slightly. As Karen Carpenter put it, “Freedom only helps you say goodbye.”
On 11/18/08 at 5:24 pm
Karri said:
Thank you for confirming why we date younger around these parts. I knew we were smart women!
On 11/18/08 at 7:58 am
~Lori~ said:
This blog hit a nerve with me a couple different levels. First off, I do NOT consider being divorced a badge of honor, that is just wrong. Being divorced is just something that is, a fact of each individual’s life/reality for whatever reason it happened.
Now, I did check myself off as divorced on a network site, when it first happened, then after I had a two year relationship that ended, I questioned, do I mark divorced or single? I ended up choosing single, since I moved on, so should that label too.
The damaged goods, I find offensive, I had said to me once, and it floored me, I never considered myself that, it’s insulting.
The other thing that no one has addressed in this, I have two children, one lives with me and one with her dad, 5 1/2 years apart. Why is it that one has to assume that I was loose and easy and have more than one father to my children, NOT everyone does ya know.
Divorce, and the grass being greener on the other side, I do believe in a high percentage, NOT ALL, (there are other good reasons for divorce, such as abuse,etc), is very common. People now a days are so quick to give up when things get hard.
As women, we were brought up to believe in that house, with the little white picket fence, and the happily ever afters. Guess what… that house and fence need to repaired and painted, updated every so often.
That takes work, and too many have gotten lazy at wanting to put that work in. So much easier to just hop that fence for the next shiny little bauble that catches your eye.
On 11/18/08 at 8:33 am
Phoenix said:
“I ended up choosing single, since I moved on, so should that label too.”
This is exactly why I mark single instead of divorced as well.
On 11/18/08 at 1:59 pm
Karri said:
Lori, I agree with you wholeheartedly that all too often people’s affections wain and subsequently so does the marriage.
A REAL-ationship of any kind is work. Without maintenance we start taking things for granted and vice-versa.
When I described divorce as a badge of honor I mean that in the sense that it takes an enormous amount of strength and courage to walk away. Especially for those of us who were taught to stick it out no matter what.
Like Trista said up above, I too have so much more respect for those who choose happiness over mental or physical turmoil. It is not something to be ashamed of!
On 11/18/08 at 8:36 am
Phoenix said:
Although I don’t see being a divorcee as a “badge of honor”, I am proud that I was able to make the choice that I did and admit that it (I, him, we) failed, instead of staying together in pain for all the wrong reasons.
I must say though, I’m sure I get judged way more for being a single mom than for being a divorcee. At my age it seems to be a norm.
And I agree with the comment above that has a surefire way to avoid divorce…just don’t get married in the first place! :p
On 11/18/08 at 2:01 pm
Karri said:
I just don’t see divorce as failure but rather a lesson. The key of course is that an actual lesson (or a dozen)was learned.
Are you of the mindset that you’ll never, ever say “I do” again?
On 11/18/08 at 2:52 pm
Trista said:
I agree that valuable lessons can be learned…but to not see it as a failed attempt at a lifelong union is to either not see it for what it is in its entirety or to admit that you entered into marriages without ever truly committing to the union as it is traditionally intended.
The marriage ended, therefore it failed. You did not succeed at the marriage. It doesn’t make YOU a failure, hell, I for one think it made me stronger and most assuredly more aware of what I want and need from a life partner. But I cannot deny that the marriage ultimately failed. So I see Phi’s point.
On 11/18/08 at 3:10 pm
Karri said:
I understand the point you’re both making, but I just have a different thought process on “failure”. (Please, I beg of you…I’m too tired to have a dictionary.com battle)
I think that yes, the union failed to last “until death do us part” but I just can’t ignore that it served the purpose it was intended to at the time.
So to me, its not a failure. But then again, it’s just my perception.
On 11/18/08 at 3:39 pm
Trista said:
I can see it as a failed marriage and still believe that it served an important purpose in my life…
So there! I meet ya in the middle.
On 11/18/08 at 3:56 pm
Karri said:
If compromise is what keeps a marriage together, I see us being one of the few couples who actually makes it all the way!
On 11/18/08 at 9:43 am
LivingWicked said:
I am divorced.
I got married to an asshat that I met in the military and only dated for 6ish weeks. I got married in a blue dress, him in jeans and a sweater vest… Caught him cheating on me with my Maid of Honor. IN.THE.ACT.
I drug that bitch out of the house to the yard straight Jerry Springer styles and whooped her naked ass right there on the spot in my pretty blue Navy Uniform.
Yep. Sure did. Ask me if he fought me on the divorce or what I got out of it. Heh.
Divorce sucks. But it is such a stupid thing to judge a person on. You think a person is who they end up not really being. You find out later that they cheated.
Whatever happens to lead you to realize that you just arent meant to be with the person you married is your business. No one elses. I dont give a damn if a person has 1 or 100 divorces. It is the rights of us as humans to fall in love and marry or not marry. Or marry and divorce. Or never marry at all.
$.02
On 11/18/08 at 2:05 pm
Karri said:
Oh, the starter marriages…aren’t they delightful? I think everyone should have one so they know what NOT to do the next go round.
While I’m at making up my own rules, I think there should be a statute of limitations. Say 7 years post divorce it just vanishes…poof…never existed. Clean slate, lessons in tow and you’re ready for a new start. Or something.
On 11/18/08 at 2:22 pm
LivingWicked said:
Agreed. Or, anything under 1 year.
On 11/18/08 at 2:25 pm
Karri said:
HA!
I tried that once too…it didn’t work.
On 11/18/08 at 5:07 pm
Brad K. said:
Karri,
Seven years seems about right. That is, if you haven’t seen the ex in seven years.
At seven years it would be a personal assessment. You would look in the mirror and ask, “Am I living as if I were single, or is my life today affected by my divorce?”
On 11/18/08 at 5:28 pm
Karri said:
Can I pick and choose which exes? Because I quite fancy the last one and I can guarantee we’ll never go 7 years without seeing each other.
On 11/18/08 at 11:47 am
Evan said:
I am not ever going to have to worry about getting divorced because I promised myself, long ago, that I was going to kill myself if I ever got married.
Any aspiring widows in these Mid-West parts?
On 11/18/08 at 2:10 pm
Karri said:
And there’s always that solution.
Get back to us and let us know how that’s working out for you after you find the woman that steals your heart.
On 11/18/08 at 2:21 pm
Evan said:
Heh. I DID find her. But she ran away with my heart and never gave it back.
*Gives self ten (10) emo points for a deft retort*
:Pwned <3
On 11/18/08 at 2:27 pm
Karri said:
Seriously?
‘Cause that’s kinda sad and definitely emo worthy.
On 11/18/08 at 11:51 am
Kevin said:
I say wear the “divorce” label proudly, and hell I would put that notation up on my status if I could, and maybe rather should if we’re talking in the non-legal divorce sense. I think of my four serious relationships over the course of my life as failed marriages, but I don’t look at the word “failed” as a negative thing, but took the relationships seriously, so seeing as how the result was unsuccessful, I use the word failed. I joke to the next willing suitor that I’m damaged goods, and you’re taking a gamble with me as I have a history, but maybe this time I can get it right. I hope that doesn’t come off that I’m disapproving of it, because on the contrary, I mean exactly the opposite. I look at it that you didn’t shy away from a commitment, but rather dove in and gave it a shot, gave it your all, you were willing to go to that place that few are able to these days, and you came out unscathed and more experienced and ready for the real thing. I’d say more than others who don’t have that title to go with them, because you can pinpoint quickly if something has the potential to work or not.
On 11/18/08 at 2:11 pm
Karri said:
Can I just say, Thank You?!
On 11/18/08 at 12:01 pm
Jason said:
Love the billboard pic!
I think there is a stigma for divorced men and women. There are a lot of people who have a picture of how their life is going to be and who they are going to be with and that picture doesn’t involve a person who was once is someone else’s happy little picture. Maybe it’s self-esteem, maybe it’s selfishness or maybe it’s just fear of measuring up (I know, doesn’t make sense). But for whatever the reason, after my divorce I saw some women get turned off faster when I told them I was divorced than if I imagine they would have if I had told them I had a STD (which I don’t, just saying it’s a strong knee-jerk reaction for some).
On 11/18/08 at 2:17 pm
Karri said:
As we get a tad bit older it is only reasonable and more common to find potential mates who dare I say…have a past. Jealousy and insecurity of someone’s past is futile and quite honestly, have no place in the now.
When it comes to relationships, if a new partner can’t accept the things we’ve done or experienced before them without judgment, they have no place in our lives!
On 11/18/08 at 12:35 pm
Kel said:
I….am torn on this one.
I think you should say you’re divorced, because I think a 38 yo woman who is still SINGLE has something wrong with her on a whole ‘nother level. Look at me for instance (!).
There’s a different category altogether for women who, like myself, have been around the block enough times to gain ridiculous amounts of life experience. A 15 or 16 year old is SINGLE. I on the other hand, am jaded, pessimistic, and a host of other things that could be inferred if I were to say I was divorced, except that I’ve never taken that plunge, thank gawd. I believe the term best suited might often be described as BITCH.
(…and I’m OK with that, in fact, I embrace it at times.)
So in order to show that you’re not a gullible, naive 15 yo and also that you’re not afraid of commitment were you to find the right person to commit to, DIVORCED is an appropriate label.
But a badge of honor? At the risk of pissing you off royally…I think if people (in general, not you in particular) took a really hard look at what & who they