Dirty Thoughts
August 14, 2008 · Print This Article
I am going to need someone to find the rule book for me. I know it exists out there somewhere. It is probably a large book. Pages ripped out, stapled in, some white out, eraser marks, some things are in black permanent marker…
Once I get my hands on it I am going to spend an evening thumbing through the pages. It should be fun, curled up with a blanket and a nice warm cup of vodka. Refresh myself so to speak on the rules for men and women, couples in general.
There must still be rules. Rules that guide us on what we are and aren’t supposed to do, how things should be. Because if there aren’t any rules left then why do men and women have so many problems?? Together, apart, looking, disposing of, etc. You name it and we all have questions.
Since it would take around 14 years to go through them all, I just have one question from the book today.
When you are living with a companion, married, or whatever your arrangement may be,
Who cleans?
Stop rolling your eyes. Domestic issues are still issues. Once we get past, “What is he thinking about me??, Should I call her in 2 days or 4??, Is he just seeing me, or is he talking to that skank ex girlfriend of his? Does she think that I am ok in bed??”
When all of that dies down and you cohabitate, BLAMMO. More shit to deal with.
These are the kinds of questions that keep me up at night. An ignorant man one told me, “If I had wanted to do Bitches work, I would have never gotten married” - Ex Husband This type of opinion is the exception to the rule, and of course if it is out there you know I would find it. But I am truly curious as to how this is divvied up for most “normal” couples.
In the 50’s it was pretty laid out. It was known that, for the most part, women stayed home took care of the house and the kids, the man worked. Easy peasy. But it was oppressive and one sided, hence why it has been obliterated.
But as women have evolved into the work force, muscling our way through to the top of anything and everything, the rules on household chores seems to have stayed the same. That’s like trying to text with a rotary phone. Not possible and makes no sense. I do think that men tend to do more in the last ten to twenty years, but not an equal amount. At least not most that I know.
So I appeal to you Eveette’s. Men and women alike. What is your arrangement? Is their an agreement, a list, a treaty? How does one deal with this? Is it fair to assume because women are sans penis that they should do the majority of the work? Because I am finding this is the case not just with one but with many… Should I WANT to do most of the work?? Was I born without a certain girly Swiffer strand on my DNA?
It has even been documented that this can be an issue for men as well. They do all the work at home while the women just don’t chip in. This is a new, oddly interesting, trend. But still quite unfair. If it isn’t equal then why is one working harder than the other?
My opinion is that house work should be shared. If both people work, then both should share the duties equally or some sort of equal arrangement. As logical as this conclusion may be I am yet to actually experience it.
What is YOUR arrangement? Is it working for you? Better question, is it working for you BOTH?










On 08/14/08 at 1:42 am
Elize said:
I vacuum and dust, change the bedding and do the laundry, and he cleans the bathrooms.
He was very domestic when we met, so he is used to doing the “dirty” work
On 08/14/08 at 1:56 am
Sarahh said:
I do know of some couples who share. Vic and I have worked out a system over time, but I still hear from women, that there is just an unbalanced distribution of chores. Not all, but more than 2. Hahhahaha…
Was this automatic or was it something you guys had to work out?
On 08/15/08 at 12:43 am
Elize said:
Hi Sarahh..
It was something that just happened.. He doesn’t mind the dirty work, i don’t like the dirty work
I think it is a good compromise to do the rest then..
On 08/14/08 at 2:12 am
Just Brian said:
Intersting reading. Sadly I don’t think many men have moved with the times (putting a flame suit on in case). Most households now have both partners working full day. Yes the chores should be shared, along with other details like childcare.
Our household is a little different. Both of us being male, sexism does not play a part. We share the chores, and are both well domesticated. My one bonus is my partner finds ironing therapeutic so while I can iron, and do when needed, he generally does it. I don’t expect him to do anything for my children. Anything he does in terms of there care is something done freely by him and is much appreciated
I tend to be the one making sure the loo is pretty and clean. We both do laundry and dishes. Who does them is decided by who purely by who is less busy and can at the moment.
So far we have not encountered an argument and it works for both of us. If things are really getting out of hand due to busy work schedules for both of us, we will hire a professional cleaning lady to assist on an ad hoc basis.
On 08/14/08 at 4:46 am
Sarahh said:
You bring up a very good point I didn’t address. What if one person in the relationship has a child? I, like you, take care of the chores that relate directly to my child.
I think this is just fair.
But with the rest of the shared chores I have always heard it is a battle. That they WANT to help, but never actually get around to doing it.
I think each person picking which thing they prefer doing, or at least hate the least, is a great idea.
For example. I hate mopping. I don’t know why, I just hate it. Vic, God Love him, takes care of that for me.
Allll about give and take!
And I am with you, if it gets to be too much, I am calling Merry Maids.
On 08/14/08 at 4:25 pm
Vic said:
Merry Maids… are they the topless service?
On 08/14/08 at 5:37 pm
Sarahh said:
He can wear whatever he wants. As long as he does it naked.
Wait…
On 08/14/08 at 3:15 am
kiki said:
I grew up in a stereotypical mummy stays at home and runs the fort, while daddy goes to work (and also diddles the secretary, just to complete the cliché) so the only chore I ever saw my father do were cutting the grass and putting the rubbish bins out. My mum did everything else, and as time went on it was amazing what she could accomplish with a large glass of courvoisier in one hand at all times.
Now I’m all grown up I think any relationship is a partnership and as such both parties should contribute equally to their life together. That’s not to say all chores should be split exactly 50-50. Like Brian said above, each person should do enough that everything ticks over nicely. Yes there’ll be the odd row, but that’s what makeup sex is there for.
On 08/14/08 at 3:20 am
Meghan said:
Hello, LADY! You are missed!
I agree, it should be 50/50…if I can let my neuroses subside. See Below!!
There is a way to find complete balance in running a household. I would like to think my partner has the consideration and respect for the time spent MAKING it a household to cooperate in the same manner.
On 08/14/08 at 4:50 am
Sarahh said:
I like the way you think.
That gives me a GREAT idea. Punishment for not helping out around the house. Sex. I am all for that. I think that around my house there would be tons of sex and NOTHING would ever get done! Hahahaha..
I grew up with a single mom my entire childhood. So all I saw was her and I pitching in to make it work. Well, actually I did it. And held a job. But that is another blog.
Maybe that is why I am so adamant about being helped. Or speaking out for those who aren’t helped.
It sucks doing it all on your own!
I agree 50/50 or an agreement that you both AGREE too and are happy with.
On 08/14/08 at 4:27 pm
Vic said:
We’d have the filthiest shithole on the block, but we would have abs chiseled from marble!
On 08/14/08 at 3:17 am
Meghan said:
Love It!
I am a Virgo…now I don’t know how much belief I put into my Astrological Sign, but I once met a man who asked me where I was placed in the stars. When I answered ‘Virgo.’ He said: ‘Me too…Want to Scrub some pots together?!?’
He had my number! I LIKE cleaning, domestic chores, painting a room - all that. The instant gratification for me is somewhat disturbing. That being said, I usually dive right into the yellow plastic gloves as a form of relaxing.
*cough*Pathetic*cough*
I will say in my last long relationship, my man was the domestic god to my goddess, doing a lot of the work. I wonder if it mattered he was a Virgo also?
On 08/14/08 at 4:53 am
Sarahh said:
I am a Leo, and I am going to assume that means that I don’t care for cleaning.
See that is the thing, I am by NO means a neat freak. I just like to have things maintained. A little clutter here and there, that is ok. But keep the place liveable.
I think that perhaps I don’t make everything spotless because I have OCD. I can spend 18 hours cleaning 900sq ft if allowed. I obsess about every little smudge, every streak, every mark…
So now, I do enough and WALK AWAY!
I think though, if you need a roommate look us up, we could use a good gloved person hanging around! Especially one who enjoys it!
On 08/14/08 at 4:28 pm
Vic said:
We should invite Meghan over for a long holiday…
On 08/14/08 at 5:09 pm
Meghan said:
I don’t do windows…I mean I do them.
On 08/14/08 at 5:23 pm
Vic said:
How long can we abduct you?
On 08/14/08 at 5:28 pm
Meghan said:
You gotta take care of that Palmetto Bug problemo before I take two steps into your Happy home! I’m shuddering even thinking about it!
I once got a katydid stuck in my hair, the end of my affair with creepy crawlies!
On 08/14/08 at 5:32 pm
Vic said:
What palmetto bug problem? She sees one, I kill it… no problem.
On 08/14/08 at 5:40 pm
Sarahh said:
Meghan,
Don’t feel bad. The reason I hate palmetto bugs is because when I was around 9 years old my mother and I were driving home from God knows where, and something flew from the feet area into my mouth.
I immediately spat it out and got out of the car. When I looked down. Yeah…
*8000 Shudders*
On 08/14/08 at 5:40 pm
Meghan said:
I can hack that…
Will my ocd get in the way of our arrangement? Ever see a normal looking gal rearrange a full dishwasher for maximum space and efficiency?
Wait..where you guys going?
On 08/14/08 at 5:56 pm
Sarahh said:
I have to touch the burners to make sure they are off.
3 times.
OCD meet crazy. Hi, I am crazy.
On 08/14/08 at 3:27 am
lisaq said:
Ugh! I soooo hate cleaning. It’s one of those necessary evils. And since I don’t have a partner at the moment and I can’t get the cats to change their own litter boxes, it’s a moot point for me at the moment.
That being said, I think it should be shared. If there’s something your partner hates, make her life a little easier and offer to do that chore…and vice versa. Seems to me that’s the key to happy cohabitation. *shrugs*
On 08/14/08 at 4:57 am
Sarahh said:
I don’t care for it either. I think I am allergic to dust. And brooms. And those scrubbing bubbles too.
I did it alone for years. In my marraige, then when I was divorced for 4 years. I did it when I wanted to. When the feeling struck me or when I couldn’t find the cat.
The reason I blogged about it is because I have heard lately from so many women that they aren’t getting enough or any help around the house.
I thought maybe this was some sort of unspoken issue that everyone thinks is resolved, but isn’t.
These comments are making me think maybe things are going better than I had heard!
Sweeeeeet
On 08/14/08 at 3:40 am
Kiki said:
I generally don’t mind cleaning my apartment, but my enthusiasm for my bedroom comes in fits and spurts. So I’ll go three weeks of living in a hovel then one morning wake up, don the marigolds and get to it. It’s more satisfying seeing the results that way. If I kept it tidy all the time it would be a miracle. It’s never really dirty, just I end up with piles of random stuff collecting on every surface including the floor until I put it all away.
I had an ex who would clean all the time (Virgo too funnily enough), I’d be drinking a cup of coffee and before I’d have a chance to chug the last inch he’d have swept in, grabbed the cup, washed it and put it back in the cupboard. I’d be sat there mouth agape. Used to drive me INSANE (and not in the good toe curling way). But our room would always be tidy and he’d IRON the pillowcases. That was a nice feeling, freshly ironed pillowcases. I decided enough was enough when he asked did I want him to iron my undies as well as his own. Now that’s just weird. Who irons underwear???
On 08/14/08 at 4:59 am
Sarahh said:
I know someone, name will not be revealed, that folds my underwear.
I didn’t even know people folded underwear!
And by the way, I need to find one of these cleaning Virgo’s!!! They are ON THE BALL!
Luckily neither me or my significant other are neat freaks, we just like maintenance.
I know that when I was on my own, I was just like you. I would let it go for a while then POUNCE (leo hahaha) and get it all done in one fail swoop. Very satisfying to see it all clean at once…
On 08/14/08 at 12:37 pm
Jime said:
Oooooooooh your lover must be such a cuuuuutie handling those dainty little underwears. Hahahahahaa.
On 08/14/08 at 3:23 pm
Sarahh said:
He “Manhandles” them so to speak
*Giggles Madly*
On 08/14/08 at 4:30 pm
Vic said:
…and sniffs them as they go into the drawer…
On 08/14/08 at 5:41 pm
Sarahh said:
Your hands or my drawers?
SR (Southern Reference)
“Drawers” not to mean the place they are kept, but the actual underwear. For example… “I would love to go, but I have no drawers to wear”
On 08/14/08 at 5:39 am
Carol said:
What is this help you speak of? Have I hibernated through the “men mow the yard and nothing else” status quo?
Holy Shit. I’ve been doing it all (and then some) for five years, on my own. If I EVER (very unlikely) live with another man, I fully expect we would share the chores. I cook, he washes…or vice versa. I iron naked, he irons naked. He does the grocery shopping and I go down on him….I do the grocery shopping and he does the same for me…You get the idea.
Probably explains why I am still single.
On 08/14/08 at 6:05 am
Sarahh said:
Another quote from the EH “I do the outside work, you do the inside work”
Um, but we live in an apartment???
I think there are just those men, who may not mind HELPING so much, but think that house work is emasculating (SP??). I think that is what I have ran into.
But I am in the south. I am the 2nd notch in the Bible Belt.
Oh, and I totally dig your idea on sharing…
On 08/14/08 at 7:52 am
Jime said:
Men ironing naked can lead to unforeseen hazards. Just don’t do it guys trust me! I mean–it’s not like girls have an appendage sticking out of their bodies that happens to be near the same height as the ironing board.
On 08/14/08 at 8:06 am
Cassie said:
WELL, NOW THAT DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON HOW TALL THE FEMALE IS, NOW DON’T IT?
I’m sure there are some short females that would agree that ironing naked can cause trouble!!!
On 08/14/08 at 8:55 am
Jime said:
Excellent point, Cassie. Another myth nipped in the bud, or should I say steam pressed in the nip? The moral of the story is: An ironed genital does not a happy fucker make.
On 08/14/08 at 9:54 am
Sarah said:
I was once told never to fry anything naked.
I think that is very close to what you are speaking about. Oh, and OW! Hahahaha…
On 08/14/08 at 8:29 am
Melanie said:
speaking from an unfortunate mishap that my sister-in-law encountered, NEVER iron naked.
On 08/14/08 at 9:55 am
Sarah said:
Seriously, what happened? I really am not sure how to paint my mental picture on this one.
She ok???
On 08/14/08 at 4:32 pm
Vic said:
You’re still single because you have bad gas…
On 08/14/08 at 5:52 am
-V- said:
Does being on this site make me grow a vagina?
In my case, I do ALL the cooking plus the heavy lifting (sweeping & mopping) and tech stuff (changing bulbs & batteries), etc. But I’m pretty domestic.
I have friends who do almost nothing! And I say almost because they take out the trash.
Most men AND WOMEN will do as little as possible IF they’re allowed to get away with it.
Consideration + Shared Responsibility =
On 08/14/08 at 6:23 am
Sarahh said:
YAY!!!!! Thanks so much for coming by!
And no, no vagina generation until at least your 5th visit.
See, that is all I think Anyone is asking for, male or female.
CONSIDERATION.
I don’t think there has to be a list, detailing who does what on what day, etc. Just be considerate of your partner, your living conditions, and your relationship!
On 08/14/08 at 11:07 am
PJ said:
5th Visit??? Uh-oh.
On 08/14/08 at 11:32 am
Sarah said:
As long as you don’t have that “Not so Fresh” feeling you should be ok.
On 08/14/08 at 4:33 pm
Vic said:
No, but it makes the one you already have smell summer fresh!
On 08/14/08 at 4:53 pm
Meghan said:
Don’t worry, EVE also taught me how to embrace my inner penis…it’s nothing to be afraid of.
On 08/14/08 at 5:03 pm
kiki said:
Inner penis???!!! God I’ve got soooooooo much to learn. Looks like a night in the Eve archives for me then.
On 08/14/08 at 5:11 pm
Meghan said:
Do it, K! There is some good stuff in there! I think it was a quote by Karri..I said I act more like a man than a woman sometimes - or something like that.
Actually, it was the Singles ad post!!
‘Eve-101: Where women embrace their inner penis!’
On 08/14/08 at 5:17 pm
kiki said:
So I’ll hold you responsible for my extreme knackeredness (and likely hangover) tomorrow!
Everything I’ve read so far has been pretty enlightening.
On 08/14/08 at 5:31 pm
Meghan said:
You can’t beat these Ladies…unless they ask nicely. Whaaa?
Seriously…Thanks so much for your support this week, K!! I owe you a round, so hurry up and embrace your inner testicles and drive down here!
On 08/14/08 at 5:43 pm
Sarahh said:
I googled that phrase one day “Women embracing their inner penis” and that is how I found Eve…
Bwahahahaha
On 08/14/08 at 5:47 pm
Meghan said:
HAHAHA!
I once googled something, and the 1st link that came up was ME, yes ME commenting over at pointlessbanter on the very thing I was googling!!!
It was weird!
On 08/14/08 at 5:57 pm
Sarahh said:
That means you have reached the end of the internet.
Whooaaa…..
On 08/14/08 at 6:25 am
Cassie said:
I just have my cabana boy, Eduardo, do it all!!! hahahahahah
but, in all honesty…I’m pretty much it at my house…I mow, cook, clean, iron(sparingly), become an all around handyman!! LOL
On 08/14/08 at 6:54 am
Carol said:
Is Eduardo hot? Well,because if he is hot, I may want to watch him vacuum. Or something!
On 08/14/08 at 7:09 am
Cassie said:
UMMM, DO YOU REALLY EVEN HAVE TO ASK ME THAT?!?!?!?!!?!?!? hahahahahahahahahahah
On 08/14/08 at 7:21 am
Sarahh said:
I can think of other things Eduardo can do with his hose…
Vacuum hose people, vacuum hose. I was thinking baseboards. I SWEAR!
On 08/14/08 at 7:28 am
Cassie said:
It’s OK, Sarahh…..I was RIGHT THERE WITH YOU!!! hahahahaha
On 08/14/08 at 11:40 am
Sarah said:
Is it wrong that I want Hank Azaria from “The Bird Cage” as my house boy??
On 08/14/08 at 4:35 pm
Vic said:
His “Guatamaleness” is intimidating…
On 08/14/08 at 5:46 pm
Sarahh said:
I do not wear the shoes… because… they make me fall down.
On 08/14/08 at 5:48 pm
Meghan said:
It’s Sweet and Sour Peasant Stew!
On 08/14/08 at 6:00 pm
Sarahh said:
This is hell, and their is a crucifix in it.
I can’t possibly express my love for that movie. I may go find it and watch it again.
Fossie, Fossie, Fossie, Marsha Graham, Marsha Graham…
Bwahahahahaha
On 08/14/08 at 7:23 am
Missygail said:
I’m not domesticated with anyone per say, but I live with my parents. So, my situation is that of being able to share their roof and feeling I should pay back for my rent free living space.
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My parents both work and pay for our humble abode. I go to school, take of my children (with my parents occasionally stopping to complain from time to time), I do all the shopping, and most of the cooking (except when I’m tired and I tell everyone to make a sandwich).
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This situation will sooooo change if mom ends up losing her job and I’m forced to go to work (it’s a possibility).
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I think this and so many other situations is why I’m afraid of living with anyone ever again. I had a man who I was talking to, try and impress me with this talks of his house on grand lake. He poo pooed my thoughts of an education and a career. He said I could live with him and not have to work. Inexplicably I had a vision of me in hair rollers, house coat, and fuzzy flip flops leaning over a wash bin scrubbing out the mans boxer shorts. It terrified me to the core. I lost that man’s number.
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My ex and I had an arrangement that he works and I clean house and I did clean house, but he wanted it stark clean. Bare bones. He said I was good at putting some order to the chaos, but that it was still chaos. Well, actually he wasn’t that smart. He said I was good at putting all the mags and catalogs in a neat little pile, while according to him I should’ve thrown them all away.
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We went back and forth on the house. He’d try and tell me how I was supposed to do it and of course I wouldn’t. He may of worked (with bouts of scary unemployment here and there), but he rarely took care of the manly things around the house. He barely mowed, I can remember being five months pregnant and mowing our lawn that was knee high. He didn’t fix up anything around the house and he didn’t take care of our cars. If I’m supposed to do all the cleaning, then why couldn’t he take care of the manly around the house stuff??
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I’m just about convinced that I’ll probably never end up domestic with anyone again.
On 08/14/08 at 9:59 am
Sarah said:
Yeah, I know the feeling. With my ex, I just stopped cleaning. I said, if I get no help, then I am gonna stop. We work the same amount it is silly you don’t do more than JUST cook.
We lived in filth until the day I finally gave in for fear of SARS. It was big then!
I think an essential part, prior to cohabitation, is making sure your feelings are known.
If you enjoy cooking, vacuuming and window cleaning then boom, that is what YOU do. The other does the rest or it is alternated here and there.
If you were to enjoy doing ALL the cleaning, as long as there weren’t any complaints, then make it known. Whatever it may be, just be up front.
And if THEY go back on what was agreed upon, well then there is a character flaw I wouldn’t want to see all the way to maturity. At least not again.
On 08/14/08 at 8:10 am
Jime said:
I never seem to realize something is a sore topic till I read about it on Eve-Fucking-101. Guess you ladies know how to get me all riled up. Well done, says I!
I agree with the comments above about sharing the responsibilities. In the past it has worked for me to use a list in order to keep track of things. The downside for me is that I am a very clean person and so I tend to do chores naturally and often, but once I start cleaning something, my girlfriends will see it as a rule that I will ALWAYS clean that thing. As if by taking the initiative to do it once I’ve signed some macabre blood-oath to do it for all eternity.
You know, I could go on and on about this topic but I’m going to cut it short and say this: I don’t mind doing all the chores. On my own I’d do them all anyway. What I mind is the lack of respect. Comments like, “Well, I could just get a maid to do menial stuff like that.” Or the haranguing if I’ve just been too busy to get around to do something just yet because I’ve been busy with another thing.
If your man does all the work, a “fuck you, do it faster” is probably not the right way to reward that. Instead, a thank you and a blowjob will do. Says I.