Ditching Dutch-ess
May 29, 2008 · Print This Article
Dear Eve,
The way I was raised it is proper dating etiquette for romantic suitors to pick up the tab.
So, when my last date suggested going Dutch, I thought he must be looking for a ‘friends with benefits’ scenario. This is not OK by me. I am looking for a lifelong mate, so, I want a demonstration that a man is willing to ‘invest’ in the idea of a long-term relationship.
I was attracted to this guy, so I bent my own rule and went along with it, paying my half. Now I’m afraid that he will always expect me to pay 50-50.
Eve, how do I avoid having to ever open my wallet for this guy again?
Signed,
Ditching Dutch

Dearest Ditcher,
Too bad, so sad, today will not be your lucky day m’dear. You’re quite the piece of work, aren’t you? Apparently, sweet cheeks you’ve mistaken your silver spoon for a golden vajaja, and the last time I checked, those don’t exist. Although you’d probably beg to differ, wouldn’t you?
I sympathize with the fact that your parents felt it necessary to raise you with the idea that you’re entitled to certain things in life, really I do. But it’s time for you to put your big girl panties on and join the rest of us in the real world now, m’kay?
The notion that a man should financially invest in you to show his interest is absurd! You didn’t mention that you have an ounce of worth other than your so-called distorted views, so I’ll have to just assume that your cute factor has gotten you enough free meals for you to continue living in a fairy tale. Well, the jig is up sister, even your recent suitor doesn’t find your good looks and charming personality worthy of a cheeseburger and fries.
Instead of concerning yourself with opening up your wallet I think it would be prudent for you to accrue some dignity and self-respect. Take off the tiara princess and stop embarrassing the rest of us with XX chromosomes!

KISSKISS
LOVELOVE,
Eve
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On 05/29/08 at 1:34 am
Allen Taylor said:
Nice writing. You are on my RSS reader now so I can read more from you down the road.
Allen Taylor
On 05/29/08 at 3:08 am
~Lori~ said:
That is the most idiotic, outdated notion I have heard! First off I don’t mind if they insist after I offer to split it, I will at least cover the tip, but I prefer to go dutch that way you are not obligated afterwards, it is a sense of self-respect and independence. I have more than put my fair share in money wise when going to events, dinner, etc. to the best of my ability. Now I will say though, I have done many a thing for men I love, in monetary sense, and at times been taken advantage of, where they ended up not doing the same in return, but I did do it of free will. In those situations, all you can do is cut your losses and treat it as a learning experience.
On 05/29/08 at 6:04 am
Karri said:
I like taking turns with one pays and one tips also. It is a sense of self-respect and independence with a dash of control freak.
On 05/29/08 at 3:59 am
Sarahh said:
I think it is nice when a man pays for dinner. I can’t lie. It makes me feel very lady like and as if he is courting me. Things that I know I shouldn’t like, but I do.
Now, that being said. I will only allow such scenarios once or twice. After that it is, I get the next one, or how about we go halvsies?
I want a man, partner, friend, lover, etc. not a bank account.
The fact that Tiera Tara thinks she deserves it is laughable. The fact the question was penned is proof she doesn’t.
And remember sweetie. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Ever.
On 05/29/08 at 5:37 am
Carol said:
Sarah! I could not agree with you more…. I will admit that it’s nice to be “treated”, as well. As such, it’s nice to treat, in return. There is NOTHING wrong with knowing you enjoy being treated. I will disagree with you or play devil’s advocate on one little thing (cuz that is what I do,dammit!) I do not agree it’s something you “know you shouldn’t like but do.” I think it’s more a sense of self-worth and MUTUAL reciprocation. You like what you like…and WHATEVER is included in that list is what makes you the wonderful woman you are today. Even if it’s goats. Or…someone buying you a nice salad with some goat cheese in it.
On 05/29/08 at 6:44 am
Sarahh said:
I meant it more as, I am an independant woman and to be that tends to include such things as not having dinner paid for.
We all know that isn’t the case. But it can be the expectation.
I suppose it is like wanting your cake, having him pay for it, and eating it too.
Hahahahaha…
On 05/29/08 at 7:09 am
Carol said:
I don’t eat a lot of sweets…except for the occasional hormonally induced Hostess product. But, all I can think of right now is “ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Frosting.”.
On 05/29/08 at 8:42 am
Karri said:
Someone’s feeling naughty this morning!
On 05/29/08 at 9:55 am
Carol said:
Yes, someone is….and by someone, I am totally calling myself out.
On 05/29/08 at 6:06 am
Karri said:
“I want a man, partner, friend, lover, etc. not a bank account.” That would be the difference between you and the Ditcher, she wants a Sugar Daddy!
On 05/29/08 at 6:45 am
Sarahh said:
I just wonder if the girl is spoiled. Or has been spoiled by men up to this point.
She is thinking since EVERYONE has paid in the past, why is this different? What is wrong with him , hell what is wrong with ME??
So automatically a turn off.
But she needs to remember or learn for that matter, different doesn’t necessarily mean BAD.
Wow, women are picky now a days…
On 05/29/08 at 7:01 am
Karri said:
I’d say spoiled is an understatement! And yes, we are picky…we want it all, and I’m exhausted.
On 05/29/08 at 4:00 am
Sarahh said:
And what in the WORLD is the woman in the picture eating? It looks weird. And oddly makes me hungry.
I am going to contemplate that for a while.
On 05/29/08 at 5:57 am
Karri said:
Her last date!
On 05/29/08 at 6:31 am
Carol said:
“she likes big balls and she can not lie…” The pic now has a tacky made up lyric to it.
On 05/29/08 at 6:39 am
Karri said:
EEEEWWWW…No you didn’t! HA! I was thinking his leg or something. Not his balls! But then again, if he’s dating her it’s only a matter of time.
On 05/29/08 at 6:42 am
Sarahh said:
It is like Fear Factor meets the Bachelorette.
20 bucks says now that it is out there, NBC picks it up…
On 05/29/08 at 7:01 am
Karri said:
Next week on “How to eat your date for dinner”…
On 05/29/08 at 6:42 am
Sarahh said:
Bwahahahaha….
Or a lunch she actually had to pay for.
Lunch ur doin it wrong.
On 05/29/08 at 5:43 am
Charles Albert Green said:
I have to agree with Ditching Dutch on this one. We as a society have lost touch with the past. I pay for the food, treat you with respect and you feel obligated to at least throw me some oral at the end of the night. And I ask why stop with a man picking up the tab? I long for the days when the female orgasm was just a “myth”. When men didn’t have to go down on a girl or deal with things like four play. I get off, then roll over while you make me a samich(genoa, cotto, pepperoni & ham, mayo dijon, a light spritz of beanos!!). But why stop there, women should be forced to wear chastity belts again. Because if I’m paying for it, I want purity! And what’s with the lack of homemakers!? And being seen and not heard? Oh, that last one was about children? What I’m trying to say is that I want a babymaking, chiildren raising, stay at home, cook me dinner, rub my stinking feet, shut the fuck up and go to your corner until it’s sexy time edith bunker type of woman. And if any of this describes any of you lovely ladies out there, holla atcha boy! I’ll pay for the shrink and women’s lib literature you so dearly need.
On 05/29/08 at 5:58 am
Karri said:
Dude…what, she gets to wear shoes instead of being barefoot? I’m shocked!
On 05/29/08 at 6:01 am
Charles Albert Green said:
I have a foot fetish and dirty piggies turn me off.
On 05/29/08 at 6:08 am
Karri said:
Oooooh…so you want to fondle her toes before you get off and leave her unsatisfied…got it.
On 05/29/08 at 6:29 am
Carol said:
That.Just.Made.Me. SNORT!
On 05/29/08 at 6:15 am
Balancing Good & Evil Daily said:
I love to treat a woman, but at the same time, I’m not their credit card. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the opportunity to introduce a little old fashioned romance, but really, there are better ways to do it than the wallet at dinner!
On 05/29/08 at 6:26 am
Karri said:
Did you court The Hawaiian with fancy shmancy dinners?
On 05/29/08 at 6:54 am
Balancing Good & Evil Daily said:
At that point we were too poor. After we left California, we used to take weekend trips for no reason, go out for ridiculously overpriced dinners, and traveled at least 5 times a year. Now with Good & Evil, we spend all out money on them… after all, Good is the 6th place bowler in OC, and Evil wants to be a singer, and actually has a decent voice.
On 05/29/08 at 7:05 am
Karri said:
Now that’s an investment I can support!
On 05/29/08 at 12:17 pm
Balancing Good & Evil Daily said:
That’s the way I look at it. Especially since bowling is already paying for college for Good & she is only in the 3rd grade. Evil is of course costing more money that she is making for herself, but what can I say, she loves it so I deal with it and besides, she is still too young for it to pay off.
On 05/29/08 at 12:29 pm
Karri said:
I’d say she’s got a good deal going there. My parents made me pay my way by raising cute little farm animals and then slaughtering them. Bowling? Not such a bag gig.
On 05/29/08 at 6:38 am
Meghan said:
So…..the rule she bent was having to open her wallet on a date? That was a hardcore rule of life?
Friends with benefits scenario!? So if he doesn’t pay the full tab he just wants to fuck you and then go home to his doggy bag…
Sounds like me!
On 05/29/08 at 6:40 am
Karri said:
You like to pay for dinner so he’ll have to put out?
On 05/29/08 at 7:10 am
Meghan said:
Ha! Sounds like it. But Seriously - if she has to pay for her dinner she throws the entire date into the ‘friends’ zone?
On 05/29/08 at 7:24 am
Karri said:
Apparently.
And let’s not dismiss the fact that he obviously mentioned going dutch before the date. Did she bend her own rule in hopes that she’d win over his wallet with her womanly wiles?
On 05/29/08 at 6:51 am
Neal said:
Couldn’t agree more with your answer Karri. I love to treat my girlfriend, but only because I know she’d never demand that I pay. If any girl I was dating thought the same as lil Madame here, I’d be out of there so fast!
On 05/29/08 at 7:07 am
Karri said:
But the quandary now is that her suitor is under the impression that she’s willing to pay her way…he’s in for a unpleasant surprise.
On 05/29/08 at 7:10 am
Chris said:
Let us remember that all relationships are TWO-way streets. That first date is as much for him to evaluate her as it is for her to evaluate him.
On 05/29/08 at 7:26 am
Karri said:
I abso-freakin’-lutely agree!
Now, that being said, if one of the daters is concerned about their finances, go for coffee instead of a 7-course meal.
On 05/29/08 at 7:49 am
cassie said:
SERIOUSLY?
This is all that she has to worry about?
GEEZ UM PETES!!!!!
On 05/29/08 at 8:14 am
Karri said:
Of course not, I’m sure she’s also concerned about Prada shoes and when Gucci will be launching their summer line.
On 05/29/08 at 8:00 am
Jime said:
Bravo Karri. Really well written.
For Ditching Dutch: this is a principle you are going to have to unlearn. I know where you’re coming from because I was raised the same way. For me, looking back and then looking at modern life…you have to change and accept the way things are done now. See, there are problems with letting the guy pay. The main problem is one of entitlement. You garner this feeling of entitlement–as if you deserve to be paid for. And the man will feel entitled to be rewarded or compensated for what he has paid for. It’s NOT healthy. From the man’s point of view this is totally passive aggressive. Under those rules he has the right to pay for you and guilt you into receiving compensation. NOT healthy. From the woman’s POV this is unhealthy because it puts a price on you, a dollar figure, and really, don’t you think you are worth more than that?
I’m not suggesting the man should be a cheap-o and never pay for anything. A balance needs to be achieved where both partners feel they are both giving and receiving.
On 05/29/08 at 8:19 am
Karri said:
Grazie-Grazie.
My point was simply that she should be less self-serving and more independent. Do men really feel as though they should be “compensated” if they pay?
OY! My hair hurts!
On 05/29/08 at 8:37 am
Jime said:
È niente.
And…not all men, just the bad ones. Heh. That’s a big red flag, you know? The kind of man Ditching Dutch is looking for is the type that every girl should run like hellfire away from!
I definitely get and agree with your point. Independence can be a great quality in a relationship, though personally I can’t claim to have ever found the perfect balance between independence and reciprocation. In my experience independence has a habit of running away–and the man who loves the independent woman must learn to let it run. Anyway, I think the function of a man in a relationship is to support the creativity and drive of the woman (however he can) and the role of a woman is to stand by her man. It doesn’t have anything to do with money, and much more to do with love and mutual respect (which is what I think you were getting at).
On 05/29/08 at 8:48 am
Karri said:
BINGO! You’ve got it!
And in honor of tomorrow’s return of Sex in the City, humor my cheesy Carrie quote…
“Maybe some women aren’t meant to be tamed. Maybe they need to run free until they find someone just as wild to run with…”
On 05/29/08 at 9:13 am
Jime said:
True that. In the end you have to be true to yourself. And in honor of nothing in particular, humor my cheesy Jack Handey quote:
“If I come back as an animal in my next lifetime, I hope it’s some type of parasite, because this is the part where I take it EASY!”
On 05/29/08 at 8:03 am
Jeremy said:
I dated a girl last year who wouldn’t let me pay because then I would expect to get laid. Seriously? Is buying dinner tantamount to prostitution?? I always try to pay, that’s just me, but I stop dating her if she doesn’t at least offer to pay once in a while.
On 05/29/08 at 8:21 am
Karri said:
Did she actually say that she didn’t want you to pay so she wouldn’t have to sleep with you?!
On 05/29/08 at 9:19 am
Jeremy said:
Yes, she did.
On 05/29/08 at 9:48 am
Karri said:
Well you can’t blame a girl for being honest about how she feels now can you?
On 05/29/08 at 8:07 am
Lanier said:
I am one that if I ask you if you wanna go out to dinner, I am paying. Thats the way I have always been. Now when he asks me, I offer to pay my half. And after they see where I live, shit, I mainly have to pay for everything. Well that was back in the day to. When you are in a relationship, its two people in it, not just one. So you can put your money up, and if it seems to be a little too much for your wallet then dont eat so much, or order off the children menu. lol…
On 05/29/08 at 8:23 am
Karri said:
I like your rules! You ask, you pay…simple. What kills me is the women that will ask men, “when are you taking me out?” What the…?
On 05/29/08 at 8:51 am
Lanier said:
Its crazy that women still do this kind of shit…
On 05/29/08 at 9:02 am
Karri said:
Oh, the stories…
I know men that have given up on dating thanks to “women” like that.
On 05/29/08 at 8:44 am
Jime said:
Hahaa good one. I’ll have the “corn dog”, please.
On 05/29/08 at 9:02 am
Karri said:
I was thinking grilled cheese…ha!
On 05/30/08 at 2:06 am
Melody said:
I agree here, I think whoever initiates the first date should pay, unless it’s been determined ahead of time that it will be dutch.I emphasize “FIRST DATE”. I believe in old fashioned courting, but hey, times have changed. If a woman can ask a guy to dance, ask a guy out on a date, have a child without having ever met the donor, and do all the other stuff that was taboo in the first half of the 20th Century, why can’t they pay for their own dinner once in a while? Is this chick a virgin? I certainly hope so, because if she is that old fashioned, she better not have had sex before marraige!!! This bimbo has obviously been raised as a princess, and she needs to find a guy who is willing to put up with the consequences of treating her as such. Man is she in for a disappointment. And so is he, if she ever finds him.
On 05/30/08 at 7:13 am
Karri said:
She didn’t mention if she’s ever given up her golden hoo-ha or not, interesting question. I hope for her sake that she hasn’t, it might be the only asset she has.
On 05/29/08 at 9:53 am
Rox said:
You guys make things too complicated. There are women that want to be spoiled, there are men that want to spoil them. There are women that want to be equals, there are men that want to be equals. None of it is right or wrong, so stop trying to make believe there is only one right way. A better answer would be, “find someone that wants to spend on you if that’s your thing”. Rox has spoken.
On 05/29/08 at 10:18 am
Karri said:
If anyone is making things complicated, it’s Ms. Ditcher. Perhaps you missed the part where she bent her own rule and then complained about the outcome. She needs to either stick to her convictions or suck it up and accept the consequences of gawd forbid having to pay for a meal. And honestly, where does anyone get off thinking they are above doing so, whether or not there are people willing to pave the way for them that doesn’t mean they are entitled to it.
On 05/29/08 at 10:38 am
Rox said:
I 100% agree with you that people should take responsibility for their own decisions. Although, I do understand bending the rules once in a while. I dated a total crackpot for 6 months because of her looks and the sex. Knew it wouldnt last, but hey, it was fun while it did! But I just dont agree that there is one right way to be in this “modern age”.
On 05/29/08 at 12:13 pm
Karri said:
I too agree. There are always exceptions to every rule, but we can’t go around bitching about our choices. You did it…you own it!
On 05/29/08 at 10:00 am
Matteus said:
I don’t know about the golden vajajay. However, there is such a thing as a golden pussy, although it’s not what you’re thinkin’.
On 05/29/08 at 11:58 am
Rex said:
FUCK. THAT.
This is why I hate dating.
Not just this notion, but the entirety of asinine expectations. Also there’s the fact some women hate how I “act chivalrously” for fear of me having an ulterior motive (i.e. getting laid) like few mentioned earlier.
It’s a bunch of bullshit!
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On 05/29/08 at 12:14 pm
Karri said:
TooTimid.com… the place where you can date yourself!
On 05/29/08 at 12:22 pm
Rex said:
Speaking of “dating yourself” how has the practice been going? heh
Sorry. Been kinda busy lately… Dressing up like a gentleman during the weekends, flirting with other ladies and stuff. DON’T BE JEALOUS OF THE ATTENTION I GIVE THEM.
Anyways, like I need practice.
On 05/29/08 at 12:28 pm
Karri said:
Honestly, I’m hoping O-athon ‘08 isn’t the death of me…and that’s all I’m gonna say about that.
WHAT? You’ve been cheating on us? How dare you! And then you tell me about it?! PFFFFFT!
On 05/29/08 at 12:41 pm
Rex said:
I might even show you pictures to really cut you deep…
That’s when I was acting civil. It was early in the night! I gotta build up to the debauchery.
HEY. At least this isn’t a SEX-A-THON. Surely then you’d slip into a stress-induced coma. Not to mention I’d CLEARLY whip both of your proverbial asses. Granted, it’s been a while for me. But I have a LOT more in the tank than either one of you, figuratively writing of course.
On 05/29/08 at 12:48 pm
Karri said:
SHE’S CUTE!!! I’m impressed!
A sex-a-thon, what? NEVER!!!
On 05/29/08 at 12:52 pm
Rex said:
She’s only a friend. Like she’d actually be going out with a doofus like me. haha
Never say never, babe. Never say never. There’s a lot of Kevins in the world who need sweet luvin’…
On 05/29/08 at 1:10 pm
Karri said:
A friend who you’re going to make a lovah? hmmmm…?
Ahhh yes, and there will always be a Kevin…or two…or three. None of which I’m having a sex-a-thon with however.
On 05/29/08 at 1:17 pm
Rex said: