Infidelity Fallout

June 9, 2008 · Print This Article

I suppose there was always a part of me that knew my (ex) husband was not the faithful kind. Okay, scratch that…99% of me was certain of that fact. After all, I did have a moment of panic as I stood with my father, preparing to take that long walk down that flower encrusted isle, when I said to him, “can I change my mind, daddy?” Thinking I was joking, he replied, “My deposit on this place is nonrefundable.” I laughed (so as not to cry) and we stepped out as the first notes of ‘In My Life’ began to play.

And just like that, I began one of the darker periods in mine.


It was a short and tumultuous marriage filled with a lot of racy sexual escapades. (It’s a shame very little of this sex was actually happening within the marriage itself.)

  • There were the scratch marks he would come home with…work injuries, of course.
  • There were the phone numbers in his pockets…old friends he’d come across while running errands.
  • There were the mysterious phone calls in the night, always followed by him dashing out the door with a half-formed excuse trailing behind him.
  • There were the women who would corner him in bars on the rare occasions that he would actually take me out…girls from his past, who weren’t worth introducing, he would say.
  • There were so many nights his cell phone wouldn’t work…so many nights his car wouldn’t start…nights spent watching, worrying, wondering.

And I took it all for years.

Why? Why would any self-respecting woman put up with such blatant disrespect?

Everyone has their own reasons…some are afraid of being alone, other’s are financially dependant. Still others will stay for the children…and others out of sheer complacency. Some say they don’t believe in divorce.

In a way, I applied all of these excuses to my situation at one point or another. I was a mother of two small children, dependant upon him financially. I wanted to have a lifelong marriage like my parents and their parents before them did. I WAS scared…and I didn’t want to be a twenty-something divorced mother of two. I didn’t want to break up my “family.”

And then it began to dawn on me…

This was not a family, not the kind I wanted to try and keep together forever anyway. How do you hold together what has been falling apart from day one? There wasn’t enough relationship super glue in the world to fix us. He was never going to stop, he didn’t want to. And I…I just didn’t want to take it anymore. I woke up out of my stupor and I asked him to leave.

I never looked back.

Since my marriage ended I have made great changes in my life. I have found my passion for writing again, after neglecting it for so long. I have flourished as a parent, and watched my children blossom in the warmth of our smaller but happier family. I have returned to school with a newfound enthusiasm and dedication that I didn’t even know I had in me. Through the loss of my marriage, I found myself.

But there is a negative aspect to this affair’s affect on me as well. Four years later, and I still find that trust does not come easily. I struggle with vulnerability and faith in a romantic relationship; they are scarier to me than being stuck in a crowded elevator (and for a claustrophobic, that’s damn scary, kids!).

I am standing in front of my wall, sledge hammer in hand…

If only I could bring myself to take that first swing.

Have any of you out there recovered from the aftermath of an affair? How did you do it? How long does it take to find trust again? Are baby steps alright, say perhaps replacing my brick wall with a nice chain link fence at first?

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On 06/9/08 at 1:30 am
~Lori~ said:

I remember sitting on my porch at 3 am in the morning waiting for my spouse to come home many a time at the end of my marriage, I look back and I shake my head, not fully recognizing that “shell” of a woman. We all have our reasons for sticking it out, then something says enough! You gain yourself back during the grueling process, or as one friend said, “you got your spark back”, but you are never quite the same. Baby steps are about right, that chain link fence does well. Eventually , someone will come along and be able to break those boundaries down, with time. There are no guarantees, you’ll jump, but there will be always those bouts of insecurities and distrust here and there, they don’t ever fully go away, it’s how much you let them have control over you and how you treat your life and future relationships.


On 06/9/08 at 6:53 am
Trista said:

You are right…you are never quite the same. I am wiser, but I am also…hardened.

That’s the part I hate. This nearly impenetrable exoskeleton of mine…

 
 

On 06/9/08 at 4:00 am
Meghan said:

Standing in front of the wall with the hammer is a major accomplishment. I’m not divorced or have children, but I am coming out of a four year relationship that seemed to pin me to the wall.
It’s such a survivalist drive to fight for someone and take lumps you would never recommend anyone else take. For me I was fighting so hard for it to work, that it WAS work. It’s hard to look into your own eyes in the mirror and ask - ‘WHY the Fuck are you fighting for… THIS?’.
Baby Steps are necessary for me otherwise I stumble at a pace that pulls me off the path I want to be on.


On 06/9/08 at 7:01 am
Trista said:

I went through a period of time when I fought damn hard for the marriage, until one night when I realized that I was fighting all on my own. He wasn’t working at anything anymore…including hiding his current affair. That was the end for me.

I just want someone who WILL fight for me…someone who actually WANTS to be on my team. And I won’t settle for less again.


On 06/9/08 at 3:59 pm
Meghan said:

Same here, in many ways. The end of our relationship was all about me catering to his moods and enabling his shitty behavior while completely throwing myself under the bus. When I finally started sticking up for myself and asking for a little reciprocity I got the speech about how much I have changed…No Shit.
I’m not a puppy. Sooner or later I am going to get tired of you swatting me on the nose and expect me to be waiting at your door tail wagging.


On 06/10/08 at 4:34 am
Melody said:

“I’m not a puppy. Sooner or later I am going to get tired of you swatting me on the nose and expect me to be waiting at your door tail wagging.”

That was so well said. The only thing I would add, is sometimes even sweet puppies bite in self defense. And a sweet puppy can be conditioned to be aggressive and mistrusting if they are mistreated for long enough.

How many times have we done this? I was married for 7 years (together for 8). I wont get into what happened, because it belongs on Jerry Springer, or at least Maury Povich. My marraige fell apart when I got a job working second shift. I had been out of work after having our second child, and we couldnt swing the mortgage and other bills without two incomes. He couldnt handle a 4 year old and a 4 month old, because his priorities were beer and friends, and cheating. I was lucky to get rid of the bastard when I did. Then like an idiot, I got involved with another guy only 5 months after my husband moved out. The divorce was in the process, but nowhere near final. To make a very long story short, I was with the “new guy” almost 5 years. He was almost 10 yrs older than me, and seemed like “the one”. I really thought he was. Then my mom died suddenly, unexpected, and my world went into a tail spin. He ended up dumping me a few months later for a girl literally half his age (she was 21, he was 44). That was the end of the world for me. I have never hit bottom like that. I stopped eating and lost 35 lbs in 3 months, could not sleep, the only thing that kept me alive was my kids and my poor grieving father. It took 6 months for me to realize that I didnt need any man to make me a whole person, and after group therapy and a lot of love and support from my friends, I came through the other side. Its been 6 years now, and I have been with my current love for 4 years 8 months. He is FAR from perfect (just like me), in fact I know I could do better, but Im in it because I love him in spite of his numerous faults. He loves me, and I know he has not cheated. I still have trust issues after all these years, but it keeps getting better over time. One thing I have learned, is its got to be all about you. Meaning, make sure your head is on straight at all times, and dont beat yourself up about the shortcomings you think you have, because of someone else’s betrayal.
Not everyone is like that, and when the right one comes along, he will help you without making you feel stupid, or running away. Maybe I read too much Nora Roberts, but I am a die hard romantic at heart. One step at a time, and you will get there. Just dont be discouraged, even if it takes years.


On 06/10/08 at 7:02 am
Trista said:

I’m not discouraged, nor am I in a rush…but it is frustrating not feeling like I can trust. I like this though…”Not everyone is like that, and when the right one comes along, he will help you without making you feel stupid, or running away.”
You are absolutely right…thank you.

 
 
 
 
 

On 06/9/08 at 6:44 am
lisaq said:

I remember standing there getting ready to walk down the aisle thinking that if my maid of honor would just suggest we get a drink, I’d be soooo out of there. And yet, like you, I walked down the aisle anyway. It was like walking the long walk to death row. And, in the end, maybe more devastating.

My ex didn’t cheat but he did manage to royally help screw me up and lose trust in others, myself, and relationships. That wall went up faster than the Great Wall and was just as impossible to penetrate.

The truth is that the only way to bring the wall down is through baby steps. And sometimes you will takes 3 baby steps forward and 2 back. That’s okay. It’s a journey, but every step and every day that you look in the mirror and marvel at how far you’ve come, will bring you that much closer to traversing the wall.


On 06/9/08 at 7:03 am
Trista said:

3 steps forward and 2 back…sigh. It is a daily struggle for me. When your ability to trust falls ill, it take a hell of a lot of TLC and time to mend it.

 
 

On 06/9/08 at 7:06 am
Karri said:

His final words, “don’t ever let me cheat on you again.”

I didn’t!

I’ve said it before…cheating is the ultimate betrayal and something I don’t think we ever fully recover from. But, we can learn lessons, become stronger and yes find ourselves! Count your blessings my love!


On 06/9/08 at 7:14 am
Trista said:

Believe me…I never forget how lucky I am for my life. But I do wish we could escape relationships without accumulating all this emotional baggage and all of these battle scars to the psyche.


On 06/9/08 at 7:52 am
bryan said:

That’d be wonderful if we could do that. But it appears as if it is all part of the package. I find it very difficult to give my emotions to someone. Not because I’ve been cheated on, but because when i do reach that point I give it all and too many times when I’ve been able to let the wall down my little feelers get stomped on. so, i’m just not sure it is worth taking that risk again. it just isn’t pleasant and hard to trust someone with my emotions.


On 06/9/08 at 8:05 am
Trista said:

Yeah…getting you feelings stomped on is never conducive to being open and free with your love and emotions, is it?

 

On 06/9/08 at 8:46 am
Jime said:

I agree completely with what Bryan wrote here. I’m in the exact same boat.

 
 
 
 

On 06/9/08 at 7:45 am
Balancing Good & Evil Daily said:

I haven’t ever cheated on The Hawaiian, and she doesn’t cheat on me. It did take one hell of a long time after my son’s mother cheated on me to get back in the saddle again. Unfortunately, people who don’t believe in monogamy sometimes marry those who do. What they really need is to find someone like themselves. The best advice I can offer is take a step back from anyone you are considering having a long term relationship with and figuring out if they seem to be committed to the relationship, or the idea of a relationship. I know I flirt a lot, and hell, if the right person came along (Trista), I might flirt even more than I normally do. It isn’t going any farther, and it won’t unless something happens between The Hawaiian and me (unless Karri propositions me!).


On 06/9/08 at 7:57 am
Trista said:

“Unfortunately, people who don’t believe in monogamy sometimes marry those who do.”

~ So. Very. True.

This is exactly what happened to me in my marriage…but sadly a part of me knew going in…I just thought that he would somehow miraculously change for myself and my kids.

People don’t change for others…they change for themselves or not at all.

 
 

On 06/9/08 at 7:52 am
Lanier said:

I had ended my 4 1/2 year relationship. I never married him, but we have a daughter together. Out of those years he may have seen her 5 times… MAY have… We have always had the long distance relationship, since he was in the military. We would fight, I ended up crying, saying sorry for everything that happened, even when I had nothing to do with it. I said I was sorry for when he told me he had sex w/ an old friend in HS. Some how it always ended up that it was my fault. I did everything in the world for him. After I left him, I cried maybe an hour. I think I had cried all during the relationship that I didnt have the tears for him anymore.
I now have a man that loves me, and my kids. He wants to be their father, and I couldnt want any other man to be that for them. He loves them, he asks about them all the time. He wants to spend more time with em too. He wrote me an email and I cried when he said “I love you and the girls” “I want you and the girls. When the other guy would write it was always, “I want you” or “I love you” He never would include the girls. Where as I never said anything about that to my new love, he has put all 3 of us as part of his priority #1. I loved him more when I read that email. I am scared of marriage, but I am willing to take the leap w/ him.


On 06/9/08 at 8:14 am
Trista said:

A lack of acceptance of our kids was a driving force in my decision to leave my husband. I realized that staying for the kids was a joke…he wasn’t ever really committed to the idea of them in the first place.

And after the divorce was final he proved me right and pulled out of their lives. They haven’t seen him in two years. But they are happier and healthier now…it is better to have him gone than to have him rejecting them to their faces each and every day.

I used to say I would never marry again…but that was my anger and fear talking. If I find someone who can truly accept my packaged deal, then perhaps…perhaps.

Congrats to you for finding it…I wish you the best of luck.

 
 

On 06/9/08 at 8:01 am
Cap'n Nina - Pantiless Pirate said:

I guess you could say I survived muliple affairs…albeit through my parents. My mother rejected my father. He found others to occupy his time. She bitched, but didn’t want to change. He did what he could to escape her “mental defects”…her “obsessions.” When they divorced, she went through man after man, leaving me to be raised by my grandparents and, on the weekends, my dad. The men she turned to cheated on her, she cheated on them, but no matter what she did, she obsessed over my dad..still does. Through her, I learned what NOT to do. I learned NOT to trust. There are no babysteps for me. If my husband EVER…FUCKING EVER…cheats on me, he’d better be honest about it and just leave. I have zero tolerance for faithlessness. His honesty would be the only thing to save him from the biggest ass whooping in history and to save me from going to jail.

I guess my point is to get out while the getting is good. Never give them a chance to hurt you again…especially if there are kids involved. I think it is better to end the marriage than to let the kids see the unhappiness and the bitterness that comes with being cheated on. Having been that child, I’ve become cynical and untrusting and very critical of men in general. It is not how I want to be, but it is what I learned.


On 06/9/08 at 8:17 am
Trista said:

That is EXACTLY why I got out. My kids did not need to be subjected to that environment. What I was willing to put up with for myself at the time was intolerable for my boys.

I owe them in a way…they gave me the strength and determination to get out and get happy.

 
 

On 06/9/08 at 8:39 am
E said:

You know how you said that 99% of you knew it was a mistake? When you meet someone worthwhile, 100% of you will “just know.” I feel bad for some of these women above who said that they almost didn’t walk down the aisle. I practically ran down the aisle. I turned down getting married to a couple of old boyfriends, but as soon as I met my husband, it was a different story. Depends on the guy, I think. Once you meet the right person, the baby steps you’ve been taking suddenly get much bigger. :)


On 06/9/08 at 8:41 am
Trista said:

Thank you, E…I think you represent the hope that a few of us could definitely use a dose of. =)

 
 

On 06/9/08 at 8:42 am
Jime said:

Thanks for sharing this Trista. Here you have given a much broader perspective of the person you are.
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Trust and faith have never been a particularly difficult issue for me. I don’t know why, perhaps it is easy for me to extend trust because I come from a tight family and my parents have been married 38 years and I’ve seen them weather good and bad times. Also, I choose to respect friends who are faithful–and make relationships work. The lesson is in the seeing. A person cannot give what they don’t have, and if somebody has not seen and been taught love…how can they give it?
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To be quite honest it baffles me how people can cheat and I think it comes down to this: they are love-impaired. They have never learned how to extend love to another person and selfishly want to hoard it all for themselves.
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…you know (and this is tragically ironic) in the last relationship I was in I had never reveled more of myself…I had never been as insanely honest and straightforward about everything that was going on in my inner (and outer) world. I have never, nor would I ever cheat on anybody emotionally, physically, or otherwise. Yet, in the end, the girl broke up with me because she felt she could not trust me. And it’s taken me a long time to wrestle with that concept because it’s bullshit, Trista! Total fucking BS. I’m the most honest man any woman will ever meet and the real problem was that this woman came from a fucked up family where her dad cheated on her mother, broke her mothers heart, divorced her and so she has trained herself to see lies in everything. Even when they are not there.
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It sucks that you have been exposed to this type of pain and that it has hardened you. It sucks that the same things happened to her. How do you break that? It’s awesome that you have your hammer at the wall (and that you recognize where you are). It’s an iconic image of determination. I truly hope it works out for you.


On 06/9/08 at 10:17 am
Trista said:

Unless people are willing to look within, figure out what they are carrying around that they don’t need to be, and let it go…they will forever be weighed down by it. I am sad for your friend, because her relationships will continue to fail until she takes the time to figure herself out, and stop blaming others.

Despite how poorly I was treated in my marriage, I made plenty of mistakes too. I’m focusing on learning from that…it is the only way to move forward.


On 06/9/08 at 10:35 am
Jime said:

But I didn’t do ANYTHING wrong!
I never do–it’s all them, not me.
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NOT! You make an excellent point and one that I have taken to heart in my failed relationships. There are always two sides to a break up and mistakes made on either. It takes greater effort to see your own failings than to point out the flaws of others.


On 06/9/08 at 10:41 am
Trista said:

Many of my friends got frustrated with me after my ex and I separated, because I was focusing so much on the things that I had done…they all wanted me to be angry with him. I was angry, but I knew that focusing on that would take me to an ugly place that I did not want to go. Life is one gigantic learning experience…we would all do well to remember that. The day I stop growing and gaining knowledge will be the day I die.

And where does blame get us? It’s a one way ticket to Bitter City…not a nice place to visit or live.


On 06/9/08 at 10:53 am
Jime said:

Yeah, Bitter City is a poorly constructed shanty-town. Guess you can’t really blame the city planners though–after all it’s just another suburb of Entitlement, USA, population: everyone.
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I get the same way as you after a break up. Falling inward and taking careful note at my errors. It takes me a while to get to the angry stage and start looking at all the fucked up things that were done to me. I think it’s fantastic that you can be so honest with yourself, especially so close to ground zero.


On 06/9/08 at 11:05 am
Trista said:

Entitlement City…sigh…and this is why the world shakes their heads at Americans. Well, PART of the reason why…but that is another subject for another day!
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And thank you…it’s not easy and I am not always 100%…I have my weak moments. But for the most part I find there is always some lesson, somewhere…and I focus on finding it. It’s like my own personal light at the end of the tunnel system.


On 06/9/08 at 11:23 am
Jime said:

You’re welcome. I think your focus to seek the lessons is a great trait and one that will probably pass on to your children and that’s how we make this a better world.

PS Your last episode on theStream.tv (Masturbation Madness) was good. I watched it over the weekend and both you and Karri had some clever, funny moments. Good stuff!

 

On 06/10/08 at 7:03 am
Trista said:

yay, thank you. I think it was my most favorite yet…

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

On 06/9/08 at 9:07 am
Karl Rove said:

My mom was a single parent after my brother was born. I don’t know all the details because she has never really talked about that part of her life, but she managed to survive for years after her first marriage. I guess her first husband wasn’t ready to settle down and would continue to go out and not bother to pay attention to my mom and brother.

Anyway, a few years later she met my dad and I was born a short time after that. They’re still together, so I guess everything worked out. It just took a few years of hardship.


On 06/9/08 at 10:18 am
Trista said:

It’s always nice to hear a second chance success story…thank you for that.


On 06/9/08 at 10:37 am
Karl Rove said:

I should also mention that my mom never received child support from her ex, but she somehow managed to get by.

I don’t think there’s anyone stronger than a single mom.


On 06/9/08 at 10:47 am
Trista said:

I don’t get support either…I mean I am supposed to, as per our settlement, but he doesn’t pay it and I don’t pursue it.

I just focus on what’s important, doing what is best for these two little men that are in my care. Spending my days chasing around their (lack of a ) father would make my divorce meaningless…because he would still be controlling us and making us miserable.

We are a happy, healthy unit with a great support system in my friends and family…that is worth more than a child support check.

Of course if he ever gets his act together it would be nice for them to have college funds in the shape of payments…just sayin…
But I’m not holding my breath.


On 06/9/08 at 5:37 pm
Karl Rove said:

As long as you’re happy, that’s all that matters.


On 06/10/08 at 7:04 am
Trista said:

Thank you for that. It’s true…but sometimes we tend to forget.

 
 
 
 
 
 

On 06/9/08 at 9:23 am
Fiona said:

So familiar. My ex was “travelling for business” on night… forgetting his passport was in for renual. The tool.

I’m a little better than I was with the paranoid shit, what helped? A man who phsyically feels ill from the thought of infidelity. Jackpot.


On 06/9/08 at 10:21 am
Trista said:

That’s as smart as mine exposing the kids to his last mistress, thinking I wouldn’t be told. I suppose he underestimated the communicative abilities of a three year old. His mistake…and the last one of our marriage. Cheating on me, horrible, yes. But bringing her around my children??!! “Oh no you didn’t!!”

I need to find a guy who is allergic to cheating, you lucky girl!


On 06/9/08 at 11:14 am
Fiona said:

Ooo, he was a smart one!

I can’t spell today, I re-read my comment and shuddered. Sorry.


On 06/10/08 at 7:04 am
Trista said:

I would never hold typos against you.
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And yeah…he takes the jackass of the decade award, me thinks.

 
 
 
 

On 06/9/08 at 9:27 am
PJ said:

1. Your ex-husband is a dumbass.

2. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.


On 06/9/08 at 10:22 am
Trista said:

1. True that!
2. Breathing and stepping…that is my way.

 
 

On 06/9/08 at 10:24 am
Sarahh said:

I’m Baaaaaaaaack!

Love this. Really do. Mostly because you could have been writing it about me. You know how that goes.

I think I stayed so long because I didn’t have proof. And because I was young And because I loved him.

Once one of those falls away, the truth always comes out.

I don’t trust anyone as far as I can throw them. I trust Vic. But not totally. That isn’t is fault. And that took time.

We who are broken can’t unbreak…


On 06/9/08 at 10:29 am
Trista said:

I too suffered from the “I need proof” mentality. And when I finally got it, the dam broke and the marriage washed away.

“We who are broken can’t unbreak…”
~This makes me so sad…we can glue ourselves back together, but the cracks shall always remain.

 
 

On 06/9/08 at 10:45 am
Sarahh said:

It used to make me sad. But now, I see it like scotch guard for the heart. Something gets on it and slides right off.

Well maybe not that easy, but we toughen with these situations. I think I am a better person for it. I finally found MYSELF when WE died.

And I wouldn’t trade that for the world.


On 06/9/08 at 10:56 am
Trista said:

I love who I am…and I love where I have taken myself…truly I do. But I hope that one day I will be able to let someone in again…all the way in, instead of just letting them stand in the doorway.


On 06/9/08 at 11:21 am
Sarahh said:

I don’t think we can ever fall the way we did. I wouldn’t want to. That doesn’t mean I won’t love again, clearly. hahahaha.

It just means that someone took our love virginity and you can’t get it back. Doesn’t mean you can’t do it again.

Do it *giggles*


On 06/9/08 at 11:27 am
Trista said:

Agreed…blind love is overrated anyway.


On 06/9/08 at 11:31 am
Sarahh said:

I agree, you keep running into shit.

Hahahahha


On 06/10/08 at 7:05 am
Trista said:

THAT’S why I’ve broken so many toes.

 
 
 
 
 
 

On 06/9/08 at 10:50 am
Ryan said:

I’m realizing that I never gained trust again. It’s been replaced with a notion that “If she fucks up, it’s her loss!” I get to leave knowing that the world would see her as the bad guy. That’s a strong position to take, and it’s even fair, but it has nothing to do with faith or trust. I don’t think I’ll ever fall whole- heartedly for a woman again.


On 06/9/08 at 11:01 am
Trista said:

And you are okay with that…never falling completely in love again?


On 06/9/08 at 11:38 am
Ryan said:

Maybe it’s supposed to be like that????? Maybe that’s what happens with maturity???? I’m doin OK! I still care for people, just care about me more!


On 06/9/08 at 11:45 am
Trista said:

Oh, I relate to that…I love me a lot more than I used to. But I still hold out hope that there will be a time when I can take care of me and be vulnerable with another person at the same time. I think it comes down to being more selective about who gets let in, rather than closing off the gate completely.


On 06/9/08 at 11:56 am
Ryan said:

I hear ya, but how would we prioritize that way? I think we need to ask Dr. Drew! Not Phil, he’s a schmuck.


On 06/10/08 at 7:06 am
Trista said:

Eh…Dr. Drew is alright…but he tends to think everyone is either on drugs or was molested. That gets annoying.

 
 
 
 
 
 

On 06/9/08 at 2:47 pm
Don Italo said:

I dunno Trista. I tend to historically respond to affairs with gratuitous doses of anger and spite with a healthy dollop of venomous commentary to along with it. I guess I’ve never really made any effort to persevere through these things.

Now I’m pretty sure this isn’t the best way to do things as I’ve become pretty darn jaded when it comes to relationships. Essentially, I approach them with the thought that they will be a finite experience.

I dunno how one goes about learning to trust again.

Thankfully, there’s always russian mail-order brides.


On 06/9/08 at 2:53 pm
Trista said:

What is the equivalent for us ladies? Where are the mail order grooms??
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So unfair…

 
 

On 06/9/08 at 2:59 pm
Don Italo said:

On 06/9/08 at 3:37 pm
Trista said:

Hooooooly shit!

Thems some winners!


On 06/9/08 at 3:41 pm
Don Italo said:

There’s a lot of man-ness to drink in there.

I understand a dowry might also increase your chance of success.


On 06/9/08 at 3:47 pm
Trista said:

Too bad my dad is a building inspector and not a goat farmer…