Lies, lies, lies… yeah?
June 25, 2008 · Print This Article
Welcome to “He said, She said”, where we take a common question or topic and see if members of the opposite sex can get on the same page, or if they’ll have to agree to disagree. Today’s topic:
In relationships is it ok to white lie your sweetie pie?
He said: Honesty? Heck yeah.
Like Immanuel Kant said: “lying is wrong… and stuff”. That’s a quasi-accurate quote from the man that believed morality was an uber- righteous quality.
Ok so feelings can get hurt… blah, blah, blah. Boo-freaking-hoo!
Look, the truth is you’re screwed either way…a woman only asks for your “honest” opinion as an excuse to trap, and eventually argue…with you. Maybe not all woman, but enough of them to fill up 3/4 of Asia. Logic dictates that any request for an “honest” opinion be met with an “honest” reply. But unfortunately we’re not dealing with a logical creature, we’re dealing with women. There is no right answer…unless of course you have ESP to combat her PMS.
You can’t avoid the issue, and rapidly changing the subject doesn’t work on these crafty animals. So, you have to pick between two equally treacherous paths.
If you give in to the temptation of white lies you are working against your end goal. (Sustainable sex). You will eventually earn the scorn of your chosen one if you choose this route. Why? Because eventually your crafty girlie is going to accuse you of not having an opinion…or not caring, or lying.
Ladies will cling to their need for validation as the reason behind their argumentative quest…but rest assured, once you’ve given your approval to them, they will still complain about the manner in which you’ve delivered it; or tweak your words until they appear slanderous.
One thing will lead to another and you’ll wind up on the defensive. Once weakness is sensed …women will be unmerciful. An argument will ensue as you are left to wrestle with the age old question: “What did I do?” If this happens enough times you will be written off as spineless (that’s bad).
If you tell the truth…well, you’re still screwed, and not in a good way. Again, an argument will ensue; “yadda, yadda, yadda…” “What did I do?!” You’ll probably end up on the couch; but as long as you’re in the house there are numerous ways to win back the bed. And as an added bonus you won’t have lost your “Honest Joe” status nor have jeopardized your immortal soul.
Look, girls think guys are insensitive jerks anyways… this label applies to nearly all of us. Very few girls think guys are honest. Prove that you are and she’ll deal with all the other BS.
But then again, I haven’t slept in a bed in nary a week? Baby have I told you how beautiful you…too late? Well can I get a pillow at least?
She said: In a world where 8 out of 10 online dating profiles list “honest” as an essential quality in a potential mate, complete and total honesty is the only way to go, right? Wrong. In a relationship the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth does ANYTHING but set you free. In reality the truth often gets you a one way ticket to sofa city.
The truth is… women want to be lied to. We expect it of you. We want you to do it, and do it well. It’s a sign of unconditional love. No, really. Conditional lying equates to unconditional love. Before you all crucify me on a cross of condemnation in the name of sacred and holy relationships everywhere, allow me to explain…
There are many, many kinds of lies out there and in this girl’s opinion, not all lies are created equal. There are many that have no place in a committed relationship. For example all those lies told that hurt, harm, or maliciously deceive. Yeah those are bad, folks. The only kind of lying I am condoning is the white lie variety.
White lie: a lie perceived or intended not to harm. A lie told in order to avoid distress or embarrassment. A harmless lie.
Women are experts in the art of the white lie. We learn this little survival trick at a young age; it’s passed down generation to generation like a meatloaf recipe. We lie because we care. We lie because we are the empathetic gender.
Of course we don’t want brutal honesty because, well, it’s…brutal! To hear a man tell us the cold hard truth is to hear him telling us that HE DOESN’T CARE ABOUT OUR FEELINGS! Not making an effort to spare my feelings means you don’t care about ME. You’ve got to understand, if there is one thing we ladies care about, it’s our feelings. Do you really think I want to hear that my outfit makes me look like Tara Reid or that I sound like a dying seagull when I sing? Telling a girl that kind of stuff is cruel…not to mention suicidal.
Look, intimacy and complete honesty do not go hand in hand. When your girlfriend is completely premenstrual and feeling insecure you make a point of looking her in the eye and saying with the utmost sincerity, “Baby, the way your dress brings out your eyes is amazing…you look gorgeous…” because that is your JOB. You want to keep this job, right?
My (you look perfect in those jeans) bottom line? Love is all about softening life’s little blows for each other. It is your boyfriend-ly duty to lift us up, to make us feel special. That is why we keep you around! Well, for that and for unclogging toilets and whatnot. White lies are the grease of your relationship’s axles, without it, you are in for one bumpy ride, fellahs.
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So what’s your thoughts on this matter? Her confidence must be bolstered or you’ll sleep on the couch that’s upholstered? Or honesty at all costs to the ego?









On 06/25/08 at 3:12 am
Meghan said:
I like to think the W.L. of White Lie should represent your relationship Wave Length. To low and it can lead to any pulse at all, while too high and you can’t stand being in the same room without getting a headache.
Men need the white lies also - lets not forget. They may need them for different reasons as women, but it will equally fall apart if either partner is playing the brutally honest bad cop.
Some people need so much of this validation they ask for an ‘honest opinion’ 10 times a day, when what they really want is support or the other to acquiesce.
I fall into the school of, ‘please feel free to be as communicative as possible, state your mind, be clear about what you want and what I can do for you, just have a little finesse and kindness when doing so.’
As for my own needs ‘when I want your opinion, I’ll ask for it’, and since I have the good sense to ask - lay it on me.
On 06/25/08 at 7:01 am
Karri said:
“Men need the white lies also - lets not forget.”
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So that’s my problem? Hmmm…
On 06/25/08 at 7:45 am
Meghan said:
Are you Bad Cop? I know a woman who is Passive Agressive Cop. For example:
“You’re going to wear THOSE shoes…well, whatever makes you comfortable, honey!”
On 06/25/08 at 7:49 am
Karri said:
HAHAHAAA!
I like Passive-Aggressive Cop…that’s funny.
On 06/25/08 at 9:10 am
Jime said:
I think the passive aggressive cop would “accidentally” misplace all the shoes you don’t want your mate to wear, and put the ones you do want them to wear in the front. And then when they ask what happened to all their shoes, just say, “Why are you always losing your things?”
On 06/25/08 at 9:16 am
Karri said:
tee-heee-heee!!!
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I would never…Oh, who am I kidding? Yes I would.
On 06/25/08 at 9:26 am
Jime said:
Hahaa. Time to get rid of those “Keds” buck-O. They may have been your favorite back in the day…but it’s time for a new day.
On 06/25/08 at 9:40 am
Meghan said:
Lol!!!!
You’re probably right!
On 06/25/08 at 3:36 am
Meghan said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Shouldn’t comment before coffee…
Just wanted to add that I need the compliments and kind words, and I give them out equally. But I just don’t use the words ‘honest opinion’ for something I really don’t want an answer to. If I ask it’ll be about something important that I learn from…not my shoes.
In my ‘Honest Opinion’ those are the times you are really getting the true heart of why you chose that person to be in your life - their values, beliefs, reasoning etc. Not because they like or don’t like how I look in the color blue.
Whewwww!
On 06/25/08 at 6:59 am
Karri said:
I would much rather have an honest conversation about life, liberty and the pursuit of orgasms…but that’s just me.
On 06/25/08 at 7:40 am
Meghan said:
I agree - isn’t that the time to be honest? Not when we are racing out the door and I ask you about my third outfit change…that can be a suicide mission for everyone.
On 06/25/08 at 7:53 am
Karri said:
UGH…the outfit change. Pseudo Husband says to me one night as I’m walking out the door, “you’re not wearing that are you?” I changed and changed and changed again only to end up in my original “you look like a bruise” outfit. And it was a hit. pfffft!
On 06/25/08 at 8:07 am
PJ said:
“You look like a bruise” + “it was a hit”
Pretty funny.
On 06/25/08 at 8:11 am
Karri said:
Thank you. Thank you.
On 06/25/08 at 1:32 pm
Trista said:
was that on purpose?
On 06/25/08 at 1:34 pm
Karri said:
SSSSSSHHHHHH!
On 06/25/08 at 1:50 pm
Trista said:
uhhh, I meant good one!
On 06/25/08 at 2:45 pm
Kevin M. said:
IT LIVES!!!
On 06/25/08 at 7:14 am
Cassie said:
Not too sure how I feel about little white lies….you see, if a guy gets really good at telling THOSE, he might start to think it is OK to tell lies about bigger stuff. I think I would have to go with total honesty…even if it stings for awhile. I bounce back pretty darn easy!
On 06/25/08 at 7:31 am
Karri said:
I agree Cass…and what if he tells a little white lie and then we find out about it? That’s gonna hurt even more than the truth, no?
On 06/25/08 at 9:12 am
Jime said:
/nod
Agreed.
On 06/25/08 at 1:57 pm
Trista said:
I disagree. A propensity for protecting my feelings is not the same as a deceitful nature. A white lie is not like ofer lies in one very crucal way. By definition it is a lie told to spare another. Every other kind of lie in contrast is told in order to spare the teller.
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apples and oranges.
On 06/25/08 at 1:59 pm
Karri said:
Oh how I’ve missed my heterosexual life partner! Really, no lie…of any kind.
On 06/25/08 at 2:31 pm
Jime said:
You’re both a couple of filthy white liars. From now on I will no longer be able to trust anything that either of you say. TRUST HAS BEEN BROKEN!
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Ahem.
On 06/25/08 at 7:43 am
Meghan said:
I guess it all matters how little and what about. If it is designed in any way to be deceitful or menacing that is a far cry from bending the truth a little to spare some feelings.
If you ask for honesty then you have to agree to the bounce back. I’m all for it because I don’t ask unless I really want to know. Good or Bad.
On 06/25/08 at 7:56 am
Karri said:
“Head or shaft?” Now there’s a question you want an honest answer to.
On 06/25/08 at 8:04 am
PJ said:
Um, what?
On 06/25/08 at 8:09 am
Karri said:
What, what?
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That’s an important question!
On 06/25/08 at 8:14 am
PJ said:
Shouldn’t the answer always be both?
On 06/25/08 at 8:18 am
Karri said:
No, that’s not always the answer. Sometimes there’s a preference. And this my friend is why a conscious fellatio giving, honest answer seeking, reputation preserving girl should always ask.
On 06/25/08 at 8:22 am
Kevin M. said:
Yes, yes! Purely honest fellati-lingus communication is EXTREMELY important.
On 06/25/08 at 8:26 am
PJ said:
Fuck that. That’s like having cake and ice cream. You might like ice cream better than cake, but you’re not gonna complain because you got more cake.
On 06/25/08 at 8:33 am
Kevin M. said:
I think you’re missing the point, PJ. It’s like trying furiously to give a woman orgasm through ONLY clitoral stimulation… when she is of the vaginal orgasm type. You’re wasting both your and her time… when a simple bit of communication can solve the issue, and get you BOTH where you need to be.
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Same goes for some guys. They’re stimulation may need to come more from one technique than another. And while I’m not so one-sided, there have been times where I’m just not feeling it, and I’m like, “Hey um… can you like… do it a little more… THERE? Yeah… THAT’S it!”
On 06/25/08 at 8:38 am
Karri said:
EXACTLY!!!
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I never knew there was a difference until an ex-bf told me. I immediately called the current bf and asked “head or shaft”…He laughed hysterically and said, “who finally told you?” CRIPES!
On 06/25/08 at 8:42 am
Kevin M. said:
Lol. I think that may be one of my instinctual strengths. I’ve always been inquisitive and unafraid to ask what she likes, etc. It has certainly paid off. Especially “digging for answers” when I was first starting to be with girls.
On 06/25/08 at 8:48 am
PJ said:
While I agree fully with the idea of communication, I don’t agree with the idea that it comes in the form of “Well gee honey, I love you and all but can you please vaginally stimulate me now?” It’s been my experience that if I’m twiddling away and a gal is in the mood for something else, she’ll say “I want your cock inside of me.” This, I usually have no trouble complying with.
On 06/25/08 at 8:50 am
Kevin M. said:
Well, yeah! That’s still communication. Just different words. Nobody said the actual dialog had to be purely clinical. Lol.
On 06/25/08 at 8:51 am
Karri said:
Expressing our wants and needs when we’re our most vulnerable can be a very scary place. Having a partner to encourage us to do so is paramount. Kudos Kiddo!
On 06/25/08 at 9:41 am
Meghan said:
Agreed! Why waste time on the shaft if not necessary! Here Here!
On 06/25/08 at 9:51 am
PJ said:
You’re the same gal that ignores the balls too, aren’t you?
On 06/25/08 at 10:31 am
Meghan said:
If he asks me to…not all men want the whole package…uh…whole packaged?
It’s rude to ignore…
On 06/25/08 at 10:39 am
Meghan said:
Wow PJ -
Yeah - saying ‘I want your cock inside me’ is a pretty explicit directive! Now you just have to ask ‘WHERE and WHEN?’
On 06/25/08 at 11:18 am
PJ said:
It’s a cut to the chase directive that works. As far as where and when, the when is right that second and if you get the where wrong it’s the ol’ standard “no, no, no, no, no” said really fast.
On 06/25/08 at 1:36 pm
Trista said:
balls ignored? Just the head? That’s lazy knob-slobbin’!
On 06/25/08 at 1:50 pm
PJ said:
See. See. Seeeeee.
On 06/25/08 at 2:00 pm
Karri said:
I just do what I’m told…well, at least in that situation I do.
On 06/25/08 at 11:41 pm
Carol said:
Oh. My. gawd. You just do what you are told.
Like. Ever. And yes, I have been knee deep in two bottles of wines toinght.
On 06/25/08 at 7:50 am
Rox said:
“You want the truth? You cant handle the truth” - Col Nathan Jessup
Our society places tremendous value on people who lie and get away with it. You’re only a jerk if you get caught.
Maybe I will do male-kind a service and write a book of essential white lies that includes standard answers to questions like - “Do you think she’s pretty?”, “Am I fat” (and its’ close cousin “Does this skirt/pants/dress make me look fat”, “Were you staring at that girls tits?”, “Do you ever think about sleeping with my best friend?”, “How often do you jerk off?”, etc, etc, etc. Whaddya think?
On 06/25/08 at 7:58 am
Karri said:
Honestly, I think that any woman who asks those questions is insecure and seeking validation. If she’s confident in herself and the relationship she’d have no reason to inquire.
On 06/25/08 at 8:48 am
Kevin M. said:
That hits a bit close to home. My last long-term, and thisclose to being “the one” ex had these insecurities. Drove me nucking futs! So beautiful, hot, sexy, cute, fun, and just plain MIND-BLOWING in the bedroom… yet uncontrollably insecure. I couldn’t compliment her enough. And God forbid I get even CLOSE being honest about a LOT of things. Doomed us from the start. Just took a year+ for me to come to grips with the reality.
On 06/25/08 at 8:56 am
Karri said:
I just had this conversation with “Creme de la Creme” last night. I distinctly remember when we first started dating and he sat me down and had a very candid conversation with me that reassured any insecurity I could have ever had. The was the first and last time we ever had to talk about. Sometimes we get it and sometimes we don’t. Obviously, “this close” didn’t.
On 06/25/08 at 9:42 am
Kevin M. said:
It’s the waiting to “move on” that’s the worst. Especially with so much that was wonderful, too much daily stuff still reminds me of her.
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Can I get some of that “spotless mind” stuff you were talking about?
On 06/25/08 at 9:49 am
Karri said:
Awe…sorry!
On 06/25/08 at 9:19 am
Jime said:
So the title of his book should be revised to: White Lies…and the Insecure Masses Who Crave ‘em.
On 06/25/08 at 9:22 am
Karri said:
BRILLIANT!
On 06/25/08 at 1:41 pm
Trista said:
oh, give me a break! Show me the woman that HASN’T asked whether she looks ok in an outfit at one time or another! That’s right, you can’t. We all do it. Its called being a female. Give us a little reassurance and let’s get on with our night, m’kay?
On 06/25/08 at 2:02 pm
Karri said:
No straight man has any decent fashion sense, so what’s the point?
On 06/25/08 at 2:18 pm
Trista said:
that is EXACTLY the point! We dont want a real answer, we want a white
lie of reassurance. That’s love!
On 06/25/08 at 2:36 pm
Karri said:
You need to pull over and get some fresh air, I think the exhaust is getting to you. Or something.
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I love you, but asking a man for his opinion on fashion is just silly. And pointless. Have you looked to your left recently? Need I say more?
On 06/25/08 at 7:50 am
PJ said:
The only reason this world is still spinning is because of the little white lie. If everyone was completely truthful to one another, especially in relationships, the world would implode. Of course, I don’t see the all powerful “half-truth” mentioned anywhere here and that can be an even better way of skating around things.
On 06/25/08 at 7:57 am
Meghan said:
Ohhh, half-truths! It’s not like I would advocate running your entire life like that…but sometimes in a relationship it’s better than sleeping alone!
On 06/25/08 at 8:06 am
PJ said:
“Do you like my hat?”
“No, I do not like your hat.”
On 06/25/08 at 9:17 am
Jeremy said:
You’ve been reading “Go Dog, Go”?????
On 06/25/08 at 9:29 am
PJ said:
It’s my favorite book.
On 06/25/08 at 2:08 pm
Trista said:
great book. I read it all the time.
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half truths and lies of omission are both okay if they are used for good instead of evil.
On 06/25/08 at 8:23 am
lanier said:
Hmm… I dont ask my boyfriend stuff, cuz he just does not give a shit. If you ask him something, I hope you can handle what he has to say. So I do not bother asking him if I look nice. Cuz damn it, I dont wanna have to keep changing. He was saying that I wore my bra’s too tight… they dont bother me, so I said Well I have to keep my boobs up. He said yea, they are sagging a little. No I didnt say anything to that, its the truth. So unless I wanna know the truth, the cold hard truth, then I’ll ask him
On 06/25/08 at 8:43 am
Karri said:
See now that right there is a perfect example of just keeping quiet. No need for a white lie or the truth, just zip-it! You know your boobs, he doesn’t need to point it out. *sigh*
On 06/25/08 at 9:43 am
Rox said:
Sometimes saying nothing says too much. I try that approach, it rarely works.
Her - “Why dont you like kissing me, is it because my breath smells?”
Me -
Her - I knew it!!! YOU THINK MY BREATH SMELLS!!